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Posted March 5th, 2008 by minortopics | Permalink

Tinley Park mom leaves child in car — endangerment?

Treffly Coyne, a mother in Tinley Park, Illinois, is facing a count of child endangerment after leaving her 2-year-old briefly locked inside her car as she and three other children ran up to the front of a Crestwood Wal-Mart to put money in a Salvation Army collection bucket. The case raises an interesting point — what is the threshold for the amount of time you can leave your child “alone” (the car was always in Coyne’s plain sight) until it becomes endangerment?

Coyne took her three daughters and a neighbor’s child to Wal-Mart on an icy night so her kids could donate money they collected to the Salvation Army.

When she drove up to the Wal-Mart entrance, her 2-year-old daughter was asleep. Rather than wake her up and risk falling on the icy pavement with the child in her arms, Coyne left her in her car seat, locked the car and walked about 30 feet away to a Salvation Army bell ringer’s bucket with the other three kids, the defense said.

A minute or two later as she and the kids walked back to the car, a community service officer from Crestwood was standing there and told her she was under arrest for child endangerment.

Coyne said she couldn’t believe what was happening because she was always within sight of her car, her husband said.


Information from: http://www.nbc5.com/family/15499107/deta...



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  1. RobertoDL
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [41] | Flag |

    Naw, just a better nut case.

  2. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [42] | Flag |

    whatever dude…go check your kids…im sure you have them locked it the car…but hey, its ok cuz you can see them from inside the comfort of your own home…right? They must be safe…

  3. shell shocked
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [43] | Flag |

    Treffly-
    I am so sorry that this has happened to your family.
    I had a run in with the law regarding leaving my kids unattended several years ago.
    At that time I was a young mother of 2 little kids and didn’t even know that it was an actual law that you couldn’t leave your kids in the car, no matter the circumstances.
    I did leave mine in a locked, vented, shaded and not running car on a fall day (which was not hot or cold). I was gone 12min in a building where i had to quickly drop some important mortgage papers off.
    I was surprised when I came out and a police officer was at my car and told me what I did was against the law. A lady going to lunch saw my kids and had called the police. I was given a citation with a court appearance. I got to go up and have everyone else listen to the judge as I was asked if I plead guilty to leaving my kids unattended.
    I do believe I plead guilty or no contest, because yes I had left them (even though I felt my situation had been a safe environment). I know that if I had tried to dispute the circumstances, I would have been arrested and jailed or fined heavily. I was ordered to take a parenting class of my choosing (I took Love and Logic- which had nothing to do with leaving my kids in the car). I then had to go back and see the judge after I finished my class. I guess to see if a class had reformed me? Well, it had… I was saw that I could have my kids removed for any little thing… which would put them in my spouse’s care? Not sure what would have happened. So from then on I have been paranoid about what other “do gooders” are out there that are waiting for me to make a mistake and call it breaking the law.
    I guess if you are a busy mom that left her kids in a safe car for a few minutes, you immediately need classes for everything you do as a mom. Well, I know I am a good mom that takes care of all my kids and makes sure they learn about strangers and all the dangers out there. I don’t make them afraid to step out of there door. The government is not in charge of raising my children… I am. I hope that our system of law enforcers can use there common sense and maybe some empathy when interpreting the laws they are trying to enforce.
    I have a friend that was also ticketed for having her kids in the car of a friend’s driveway, while she was just inside the door of the friend’s house- taking her some cookies.
    I guess that the police are more concerned about over worked soccer moms (not the ones that go killing their kids) then about real criminals. Not enough crime in the suburbs? Not so!
    Good luck and God bless on you and your family, Treffly. I would say not to worry, but our society seems to be going down hill in the “trust its citizens with their own families” department. Just remember this when voting for the next president, who will decide what government and law enforcers are aloud to do in your family.

  4. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [44] | Flag |

    shell shocked says: I guess that the police are more concerned about over worked soccer moms (not the ones that go killing their kids) then about real criminals. Not enough crime in the suburbs? Not so!

    Easy to see an overworked soccer mom forgetting her kids in the car, tired and all…it only takes one mistake to have a tragic outcome…Cops just looking out for the welfare of the kids…they are at the mercy of their parents…and apparently most of the parents feel its ok to leave a kid strapped in to a carseat in a locked car…unbelievable!

  5. Dad of 3 in Kentucky
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [45] | Flag |

    Good luck in court tomorrow, I agree with others that say that no judge in their right mind would convict you of any crime!

    From reading the above comments, the majority of the parents that have posted need to go turn themselves into local authorities for doing what you did, myself included…

    Just the other day, I left my 6 year old son in my truck as I opened my door next to my wife’s van to swap the car seat out of her van into my truck so our 2 year old could ride home with me while my wife attended a shool function with our 10 year old daughter.

    I read stories everyday, as I’m sure most of us do, about “parents” that abuse, neglect, or even throw their kids off of bridges that will probably plead insanity and be out walking amongst us again in a few years…and the police had the audacity to actually cuff Mrs. Coyne in front of her children, and worse yet, take her 2 year old child into “protective custody”…how ridiculous is that?!?

    The Coyne’s are obviously great parents and very intellignet people judging by Mr. Coyne’s advice to his wife not to speak to authorities until he arrived, not to mention Mrs. Coyne teaching their children to give generously to those in need.

    This is a gross waste of tax payer’s time, and money and is an insult to loving parents everywhere that are doing best by their chidlren.

  6. Multiples Mamma
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [46] | Flag |

    Sam, do you have children? If so, I am willing to say with 100% certainty that at some point in your children’s lives you have or will do something that someone else would deem as unsafe. Leave the lock off the cleaning cabinet door? Leave your front door unlocked? Things like that happen. Its called life. No one is perfect and you cannot protect your children from every little thing. You are absolutely being ridiculous to say that a mother should hire a sitter or nanny so she can do her weekly shopping. Go find another hobby than to come and criticize ever parent here.

  7. Tom
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [47] | Flag |

    What a joke this all is. Does anyone know whether there is a way to donate to the Coynes? Legal fees are never cheap. It burns me up to watch a good parent have to deal with this cr*p. My siblings and I think of our mom as the best mother a person could have, and I know she’s done similar things with us. I guess from now on, when a mother fills up her tank at a gas station, she should pull up to the pump, wake her sleeping toddler, and hold the toddler while she fills up her gas tank. Also, it’s my understanding (I might be wrong) that the cops just left the other kids at the store after they arrested Ms. Coyne?! If that is true, that seems a lot closer to child endangerment than what Ms. Coyne is accused of.

    P.S. Samara, you forgot to take you meds. DON’T FORGET TO TAKE THEM EVER AGAIN! YOU GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU’RE A LUNATIC WHEN YOU’RE NOT ON THEM!!!!!

  8. AustinAvatar
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [48] | Flag |

    Sam (& Samara)

    You guys must have worn a padded helmet to school. I hate to drop down to the level of a personal attack but both of you need to stop drinking kool-aid or something.

    The child was safer in a locked car, in a car seat, out of the sleet and rain, than it was standing near a major street. End of story.

    The nanny state mentality has got to end. Cops are to protect and serve. Worst case, the cop could have stayed at the car, watching the child, and then talked to the mother about better planning her itinerary. But charging this woman with a crime? Ridiculous. The mere process of arresting the mother put the kids in more danger than doing nothing at all.

    This had nothing to do with protecting the kids and everything to do with a stupid cop on a power trip. Throw the b**** cop in jail and give the mom a medal.

  9. Debbie
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [49] | Flag |

    Sam,

    Not all parents can afford a sitter or a nanny. I have 2 year-old twins and I’m lucky enough that I have never needed to go anywhere without either our nanny or my husband. But there are several other moms in my parents of multiple club are not so lucky. They had to go everywhere –do everything with their kids.

    By the way, how old are you? not in school today?

  10. Joe
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [50] | Flag |

    But Multiples, people like Sam ARE perfect. It is the only way they can be 100% certain that they know what is dangerous and what is not, and know it for every situation and for every person. It is why they pass laws because we are so damnably dumb, that they must show us all the light. They are always in the right because their mantra is ’safety’ and ’save the children’, etc, etc, never do they trouble their conscience with what the unintended consequences of their rules are, that is not a bother, only thing that matters is they feel good about themselves because they know how we should all live. It is a terrible burden for those so obviously advanced and progressive over the rest of us. Problem is of course, despite their crusade to ’solve’ every wrong they see, they are actually the problem.

  11. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [51] | Flag |

    All of you are a joke, I’ve been cordial and on the level…and I am sure its a safe bet that my educational background trumps yours, but that’s not why I am here.

    I have a 3yr old son and working on kid number 2…I do not have a ton of cash, nor do we have a nanny…and yes I can say I have never, not once….locked my kid in the car unattended….if he’s sleeping and I need gas and have to go in a pay…I gently unbuckle him, go in and pay, and bring him back….hopefully still asleep. I live in the DFW area and can safely say the car is the last place you want your child left unattended. Between the crime and the temps around it, it is not a safe thing to do.

    The temp in a car, vented or not, can approach dangerous levels in less than 20min. Every year I hear about a handful of kids who were either abducted or died in the car due to being left unattended…heck half the time the parents were right inside the C-store watching from the window…Most parents are not aware of how fast things can go wrong. I for one, no matter how cold, how much of a hurry, how quick,etc, etc, would ever leave my kid in the car…period.

    Heck our daycare at the church will call the cops if a parent leaves the older kid in the car while they bring in the little one.

    It is just not a gamble I am willing to take with most precious thing in my life…sorry…I will inconvenience myself before I leave little Sam in the car alone.

    Most of what I am talking about here are younger kids who are strapped in a carseat. Not the 7-10 year old that can act on commands or get themselves out of the car on their own in case of danger… It is the child that can not do on his own who is most at risk…like the 2yr old in this case.

  12. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [52] | Flag |

    I can’t see the future, I don’t claim to know what actions present more risk than others, and I have certainly never claimed to be perfect…what I do know is i can minimize the potential risk by being proactive in my actions…ie..taking the extra time to unbuckle the kid, even though it would take longer than if i just ran in and paid. It’s all about mitigating risk.

    Some crazy walmart shopper may have plowed into the car parked in the loading zone…heck just the other night some car ran smack into a parked 18-wheeler…just a freak accident.

    Again, mitigating the risk. Why take the chance with your child?

  13. Tom
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [53] | Flag |

    Sam,

    If you can post even one story in which an abduction or dangerous temperature change occurred in a situation with facts that are otherwise identical to the story here, I would be astounded. If a parent pays with a credit card at the pump, should he or she wake the child up and hold the child while pumping gas? What Ms. Coyne did was the smart, normal thing to do. What if she had done what Samara suggested, and dropped her kid on the pavement by accident? That’s more likely than the doomsday scenarios of a kid freezing to death in 5 minutes or being abducted while the doors are locked and the alarm is on. Most parents care a lot more about their kids than the government or some Wal-Mart meter maid does. Let them take care of their kids.

  14. Damon
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [54] | Flag |

    http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/07/348604.aspx !?!?!?!
    go figure. and this pooor lady is being put through all this because she stepped maybe 30 feet away from her car to teach her other two children a little about being charitable & found herself a victim of the nanny state we live in. I have to wonder how is this going to effect her children’s view of police now?

  15. Da Po-lees
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [55] | Flag |

    She needs to teach her kids that many police use their uniform as a club to lord over the citizenry. Legal over-compensation. “Yes, ma’am; sorry ma’am, you’re right, ma’am, I’ll never do it again, ma’am.” Good thing she didn’t get her head clubbed. Notice one of the charges is “obstruction of justice.” NEVER ARGUE WITH A COP - ESPECIALLY A LADY COP!

  16. Audra
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [56] | Flag |

    Utterly ridiculous that woman is facing charges, especially when she could see her car the entire time. I have two kids and I keep them in the car everytime we get our mail from the Post Office. By the time I can unbuckle them and get them out of the car and to the door, I can run in by myself and be back in the drivers seat. I lock the doors, alarm the car, and run in. Timing myself it takes about 50 seconds from when I step out of my car and when I get back in. It’s sad to think whackjobs out there would want me in jail for “neglect”. People need to find something else to worry about. This lady should have never been put in this position by the stupid overzealous cop.

  17. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [57] | Flag |

    If you pay at the pump, roll the back window down and talk to you kids while you pump…thats not leaving them in a locked car.

    Tom, I stand corrected…you are right, just because a situation with these exact circumstances has never happened before with a bad outcome, means it will never happen…my bad…I should have known better. And I would rather risk me dropping my child, then leaving them in the car.

    Damon says: I have to wonder how is this going to effect her children’s view of police now?

  18. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [58] | Flag |

    Audra - I just cant tempt fate like the way you do. Based on what you wrote, it seems you are doing what is in YOUR best interest and not your kids. Seems like it would be a hassle for you to take the extra 2min to get your kids out…but dang…50secs that fast!

    It just amazes me that yall take this issue so lightly.

    While I agree she shouldn’t be made an example of, but at the same time, no matter what yall say, she put her child at risk. You NEVER leave a child unatteneded in a car…period!

  19. Father of Five Tenn
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [59] | Flag |

    Wow no wonder she’s not on the police force anymore(thank god), she is what i assume was the type of officer that our young mother came into contact with. Folks, as asked earlier how many parents have pumped gas in their car and paid for it with their kids still in the car,I Assume again every parent in the once free United States has done it. The two older children where found by there father sitting inside the Walmart alone? Why was the commanding officer on the scene not arrested for child neglect also, that is the worst nightmare neglect case ive heard, cops caught up in creating drama, arresting a mother then letting two kids wonder by themselves into a huge store with at least three other exits to be takin, the officers where just wanting to ruin a perfect law abiding family and throw them in the same class as the criminals they have locked up in their State Prison. These officers where wrong and our government along with them have taken all rights away from law abiding citizens and some how allowed to label good people bad because there are crooks rapist child preds out there. A Box is what our government seems to be pushing us to live in(THE NEW China), do and act the only way they say or you and your family will be raked over the media and the courts until youve paid the lawyers and state and have been tramatized and broken$ hearted. I do not remember ever going to vote allowing this police officer the right to tell us she or he knows better than We The People, if anyone watches the news lately then you will see most of the headlines are Corrupt Government officials and wife killing cops,not mothers gone wild(all politicians and ranking official should be kicked out and we should start over). Beatles where right, we need a Revolution and take back our country, and heres a good question didnt this happen in Barrack Obamas state? Dang what else can we look forward to if he’s running the what used to Be a free world. May god help us all and i had better start seeing kids standing next to their parents at the Gas pump.Thats probably where this cop will get her next victim at the Walmart gas pumps. WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? And yes there are some dumb parents out there, we all with Brains know this. But this isnt one of them, and who knows for those of you who hang way out there on the WING maybe your loyal government will make a new law that will only allow certain folks to have kids like for instance the NY governor Spitzer im sure he’s been a great father and never broke any of the law’s he put so many away for as A DA.Funny isnt it how some folks never get it and power goes straight to the head when given. Bring Back the Free World, a voting booth in every town for every law might get us there, because our politicians sure aint(TN slang).God Bless and may the normal folks survive and build a better country…

  20. JTRLRJ
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [60] | Flag |

    This is a difficult case. I would like to think that this mother did nothing wrong. She was by her car, locked and alarmed helping her other daughters and their friend donate money. I really don’t think she did anything wrong and I expect this case will be thrown out of court. Good Luck to all involved in this case.

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