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Posted March 5th, 2008 by minortopics | Permalink

Tinley Park mom leaves child in car — endangerment?

Treffly Coyne, a mother in Tinley Park, Illinois, is facing a count of child endangerment after leaving her 2-year-old briefly locked inside her car as she and three other children ran up to the front of a Crestwood Wal-Mart to put money in a Salvation Army collection bucket. The case raises an interesting point — what is the threshold for the amount of time you can leave your child “alone” (the car was always in Coyne’s plain sight) until it becomes endangerment?

Coyne took her three daughters and a neighbor’s child to Wal-Mart on an icy night so her kids could donate money they collected to the Salvation Army.

When she drove up to the Wal-Mart entrance, her 2-year-old daughter was asleep. Rather than wake her up and risk falling on the icy pavement with the child in her arms, Coyne left her in her car seat, locked the car and walked about 30 feet away to a Salvation Army bell ringer’s bucket with the other three kids, the defense said.

A minute or two later as she and the kids walked back to the car, a community service officer from Crestwood was standing there and told her she was under arrest for child endangerment.

Coyne said she couldn’t believe what was happening because she was always within sight of her car, her husband said.


Information from: http://www.nbc5.com/family/15499107/deta...



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  1. Jane
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [21] | Flag |

    This is just nuts. Normally I take a very cautious view and am the first to criticize parents who take chances. But there were no chances being taken here!!! The car was locked, not running, mom was just STEPS away and the car was never out of her sight. I feel awful for this poor woman. What is the law? That a child has to be in your arms at all times?

  2. Tom
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [22] | Flag |

    Childred are abused every day, unspeakable crimes by sick people. A good mother securely locks her sleeping 2 year old (in the middle of the winter, no chance of heat stroke) in an alarmed vehicle, and goes no further than 10 yards from the vehicle for a few minutes to commit a charitable act. Ya know cops are worthless. A good cop would have seen this was not in any way a case of neglect. Quit wasting our tax money and go find some real criminals committing violent crimes and leave the rest of us law abiding citizens alone! Or would you rather patrol in the suburbs where there is nothing to do but eat donuts and get even fatter.

  3. FlintDad
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [23] | Flag |

    Treffly Coyne did nothing wrong. Good Luck to you. Samara I couldn’t read your whole article. I quit after the first few sentences, unrealistic. In this world today anything can happen anytime or place. The police have gotten to the point in this country,with the largest prison population in the world, that they believe that their beliefs are law. They have become a society of Blue. Police now over react rather than react. Common sense seems to be missing in training police officers. Once Again, Mrs. Coyne the best of luck to you, my prayers are with you.

  4. January24
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [24] | Flag |

    This is just another outrageous example of unjustified, ridicuous government intrusion. The mother did nothing wrong; the police are nuts. Not only was it absolutely crazy to take custody of the baby, it was highly irresponsible and dangerous for the police to leave the three older girls on their own. Life has risks. Every single night, I live my children “unattended” while I sleep. They could get up and go outside, they could climb to the tops of the kitchen cabinets, they could play with fire or take medicine. Where is common sense in the Coyne case? There was an infintesimally small risk to the baby. You know, if the mom had taken the baby out of the car, the baby could’ve been struck by lightning or hit by a meteor. Government, OUT OF OUR LIVES!!!!

  5. Da Po-lees
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [25] | Flag |

    Mrs. Coyne’s mistake was arguing with a lady cop. I can just hear the tirade coming from the police officer. Anyone who has been pulled over by a female officer should know to only say “Yes, ma’am; no ma’am; I’m really sorry, ma’am; you’re right, ma’am.” I hope the judge will recognize this clear abuse of power, and will award the officer a dog to kick instead of the citizenry.

  6. January24
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [26] | Flag |

    And, I forgot to say this: Yes, Samara, all of the others are right. You ARE nuts. Please remember to wear your steel armour (and outfit your kids in it) when you go to the park. You know, mountain lions and coyotes are creeping into populated areas.

  7. Inflammateur
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [27] | Flag |

    Give those police officers a break. You have no idea how much pressure they are under to meet quota for arrests every month!

    Treffly Coyne, I wish you luck. You are a great mom and I hope you win. I doubt any sane judge/jury would convict you.

    And this “Samara”, good luck in your mental rehab. Don’t get arrested for leaving your medication bottle for too long.

  8. Karen
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [28] | Flag |

    Calm down Samara! The Mum was within in sight of a locked, alarmed car! I’m sure she’d have heard the alarm go off if someone tried to break into the car and steal it (not that anyone would be stupid enough to try with so many people around). And if someone tried to steal the toddler instead of the car they’d have to break into the car (again, setting off the alarm) and unbuckle the baby to get it out - not exactly a quick and easy thing to do!

    Let’s looks at the stats Samara. A child is far, FAR more likely to be abused, raped, and tortured by someone they know, be it a parent, relative, babysitter, teacher, or neighbour - then to be abducted by a stranger!!!

    She didn’t do a damn thing wrong and I know plenty of mothers that would do the same and not think twice about it. I roamed all over the streets of my town for hours when I was a kid and was left in the care while my Mum or Dad ran into pay for gas, etc. and I survived. And before you point out that it was years ago when things were ’safer’ - things weren’t. There were two kids found raped and murdered in our small town over two years when I was a kid… one by a neighbour and one by a family friend BTW.

    In this case the police were wrong and they should admit it. There isn’t a social worker out there that would look at this case and call it abuse. Abuse would be dragging that poor baby out in the cold, miserable weather. And good on Treffly for teaching her other children the value of generosity and charity! That’s the sign of a good parent! Here’s hoping her kids get through the trauma of seeing her get arrested.

  9. StunnedinOntario
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [29] | Flag |

    I won’t attack Samara, everyone else seems to have done a fine job on that… but I have to wonder…

    - Baby left in car for 10 minutes
    - Car locked, hazards on
    - Mom was a few yards away
    - Two older children were with her

    Everyone has talked about the 2 year old left in the car seat, but little has been said about the trauma the older two children suffered watching Treffly, first being accosted verbally by the community service officer, then subsequently arrested by a police officer. The anguish these two young children suffered on that day, and I’m sure the days following, is more of a case of abuse than leaving the two year old to begin with.

    So what happens now? Treffly will very likely be aquitted, but what kind of repercussions will the community service officer and the police officer have to deal with? Are they being cited for over-reacting? Have they been put on administrative leave? Is there any kind of re-education happening that will teach them how to appropriately deal with something similar in future?

    We read about all sorts of abuse scandles in the papers every day, and if there’s an arrest to be made, the children are removed from the situation as quickly as possible to avoid the trauma I mentioned above.

    This police officer and the social community worker sicken me. They weren’t worried about the best interest of the child, they were worried about “teaching her a lesson”. That’s for the courts, which a citation would have most certainly dealt with at the appropriate time, in the appropriate forum.

    God Bless you Treffly, I will pray for you tomorrow, and for the judge to see the truth among the madness.

  10. Darin
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [30] | Flag |

    So when my wife parks at the back of the wal-mart parking lot, and has to return the cart 200 feet away in the next lane, my wife should have to carry our 8 month old baby and 2 year old, and corral our 5 yr old and 7 yr old and risk getting run over or backed into? that is ridiculous. Samara, if i read your post to my children how do you think they would feel? Should I seek emotional damages? Get some counseling, and have some children. Mellow out woman. And I hope that Treffly wins hands down as this is all absolutely ridiculous.

  11. Mike
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [31] | Flag |

    You know, when the child-savers went to the lawmakers to get the authority from the government to persecute neglective parents they showed pictures of children starved and beaten black and blue by parents who were drug users, etc. So now lawmakers give CPS & police all the power in the world to protect children and this is how they use their power- arresting a mom who stepped a few feet away to teach her children about charitable giving? Please- do a reality check. Stop wasting the energies of people who need to be spending their efforts on truly neglected children. It’s clearly an abuse of authority. This is a growing trend that needs to stop. Paranoid people who have had a bad experience want everyone to over-react. If you have had a bad experience, I’m sorry, but punish the criminals who did it- not earnest parents.

  12. Damon
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [32] | Flag |

    ok everyone scroll back up to CJ’s #19 post and view the aricle he linked…why isn’t that woman in prison?!?!
    http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/07/348604.aspx
    she killed her baby!(maybe )it was an accident but she showed serious neglect by “forgetting”the child was in the backseat. how does any responsible parent “forget” that they have a chld in the car with them? this should have been investigated further …as for Treffly Coyne,i hope you come out of this because this is an obvious abuse of power by the so-caloled “protecters” of our society.

  13. RobertoDL
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [33] | Flag |

    Wow, Samara is more nutty than the Police on this matter, and that is saying a lot. Both need to experience their karma so they can know how much damage they are causing with their vitriolic words and actions against an obviously innocent woman in this matter. They not only insult and injure Treffly Coyne and parents like her, they also insult and injure themselves. It would be best if the authorities and people like Samara stop this abusive crossing of lines immediately, and apologize to Treffly Coyne, and all parents like her. “Judge not lest you be judged”… does that ring a bell? “Du du du Ding!… The fries are ready!”

  14. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [34] | Flag |

    All of you who think you baby is safer in the car should have a CPS case opened against you. Is everyone supporting this women for real? I don’t care how far, how long, the fact she could see the car…that is all irrelevant. What would you preception be if it was teh middle of the summer? I know thats not the case in this circumstance…kids are so vulnerable and so innocent…

    The smart thing would have been to wait until her child woke up and then go donate the money…then all three kids would have been involved and one not neglected.

    She shouldn’t have the book thrown at her, but she shouldn’t be let off either. Did it deserve a CPS investigation, sure it did. And if I was the mother, i would invite the CPS to come visit the house to show she is a good parent and then she made a mistake.

    Leaving a child in a car, even worse a locked car, is unacceptable no matter what the situation.

    She should have evaluated the situation and made a better decision…I hope she learned a lesson.

  15. Momto4
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [35] | Flag |

    Treffly, I hope you win today! You did nothing wrong. Anyone who has 2 kids or more knows what a juggling act being a mom is. I’ve done similar with my own. I NEVER leave my kids out of sight, I NEVER leave my keys in the car, I NEVER leave them for longer than it takes to either drop a letter in the mailbox or fill the van with gas, and I always lock the doors and arm the alarm. This is basically what this mother did and so many other good parents do.
    But then I see in the news of how a car was stolen with a toddler/baby in the car. And while the majority of the time there is a happy ending, you never hear about those parents getting their child taken away by CPS or the parents hauled off to prison for their neglect to keep their vehicle in sight, their keys with them and the doors locked. Big double standard don’t you think?!
    Treffly Coyne should be found not guilty and her children and the children’s friend should receive psychological counseling at the expense of the arresting city police. Abandoning and scaring to death 3 vulnerable little girls by the police is inexcusable. A big apology is in order from the police - but of course we know that will never happen!
    Good luck!

  16. Beth
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [36] | Flag |

    Just think of how many people are abused by police. We only hear about the outrageous cases but I don’t know anyone who has ever had a positive experience when dealing with the police. And I’m talking about victims not people who have been arrested. The majority of police are jerks. Just watch the show Cops. These cops know they’re being filmed and even then they find it hard to act professionally.

  17. GBSportsMom
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [37] | Flag |

    This is so ridiculous that I don’t even know where to begin. She was no further away from her car than she would have been if she returned a cart to the cart corral. She locked the car and the child was sleeping. I absolutely would have done the same thing and would not have thought twice about it. Besides the trauma to the mother…what about the impact on the children. The older children were terrified and probably don’t trust the police to actually protect them now. Not to mention the trauma for the little one to be hauled off by strangers…I find that to be much more damaging to her than sleeping in a locked car that her mother is in plain sight of!! As far as Samara’s comments….I don’t even have words to describe your thoughts…insane comes to mind but that seems to be putting it too mildly.

    I wish this mother all my best in this situation and she will be in my prayers!

  18. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [38] | Flag |

    Darin says…So when my wife parks at the back of the wal-mart parking lot, and has to return the cart 200 feet away in the next lane, my wife should have to carry our 8 month old baby and 2 year old, and corral our 5 yr old and 7 yr old and risk getting run over or backed into?

    Yes, what is wrong with you people…you dont leave kids, unatteneded in cars period, ever!!!!

    If you have a load of kids, then plan in advance and get a nanny or a sitter once a week while you go shopping…

    I am so surpised so many people think this is acceptable.

    What would have happened if one of the two kids threw a fit and took off running into the walmart…or what if both took off running in opposite directions even…that is something that is very easy to see happening…then what does she do???

    This is not ok people…stop supporting her. She seems like a good parent, trying to instill goodwill in her kids…very admireable…but I hope she learned a leason…

  19. RobertoDL
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [39] | Flag |

    Sam, is that short for Samara?

  20. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [40] | Flag |

    That would just be silly wouldnt it…hell naw I am not Samara…I guess I am just a better parent than you, eh?

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