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Posted March 5th, 2008 by minortopics | Permalink

Tinley Park mom leaves child in car — endangerment?

Treffly Coyne, a mother in Tinley Park, Illinois, is facing a count of child endangerment after leaving her 2-year-old briefly locked inside her car as she and three other children ran up to the front of a Crestwood Wal-Mart to put money in a Salvation Army collection bucket. The case raises an interesting point — what is the threshold for the amount of time you can leave your child “alone” (the car was always in Coyne’s plain sight) until it becomes endangerment?

Coyne took her three daughters and a neighbor’s child to Wal-Mart on an icy night so her kids could donate money they collected to the Salvation Army.

When she drove up to the Wal-Mart entrance, her 2-year-old daughter was asleep. Rather than wake her up and risk falling on the icy pavement with the child in her arms, Coyne left her in her car seat, locked the car and walked about 30 feet away to a Salvation Army bell ringer’s bucket with the other three kids, the defense said.

A minute or two later as she and the kids walked back to the car, a community service officer from Crestwood was standing there and told her she was under arrest for child endangerment.

Coyne said she couldn’t believe what was happening because she was always within sight of her car, her husband said.


Information from: http://www.nbc5.com/family/15499107/deta...



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  1. American Dad
    Mar 5th, 2008
    [1] | Flag |

    This case is about so much more than one mother and her two year old child in a Walmart parking lot.

    It is about our rights as parents and Americans. The police jailed this woman, took her two year old into ‘protective custody’, labeled her a child abuser and now SHE needs to defend herself and her motherhood in front of a judge. It should be THE POLICE defending their actions in front of a judge.

    If the mother wins, score one for our rights and liberties.

    If the mother loses:

    EVERY PARENT IN ILLINOIS WHO LETS THEIR CHILD WALK TO SCHOOL UNATTENDED BECOMES A CRIMINAL.

    This ‘little misdemeanor case’ has pretty big implications for all parents, all citizens of this country.

    Good luck to you on March 13 at your trial Treffly Coyne.

  2. Samara
    Mar 6th, 2008
    [2] | Flag |

    I don’t care if you leave your child for a f****** SECOND! Abandonment and neglect has no time constraints. All it TAKES is a second for a child to be abducted. IN FACT, parents get a false sense of security when they briefly leave their child unattended. To the “American Dad” who says this woman at Wal-Mart’s rights as a “parent and an American” were violated: You OBVIOUSLY have NEVER had to deal with the horrors of child abduction. The officer who charged the f****** b**** with child endangerment: Thank you for doing your job. I too had the honor of being a police officer for 8 years, but it SICKENED me to see how many children are abducted, raped, tortured, and “sacraficed” and murdered. “American Dad” obviously thinks stuff like this doesn’t happen. No, don’t worry about your child being kidnapped if you turn your back for a second.Especially if you are in the loading zone at Wal-Mart. It’s ok, your child will be safe. BULL-SHIT!!! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?? IT ONLY TAKES A SECOND!! IT HAPPENS TO ANY CHILD, ANY PARENT, ANY FAMILY, ANYTIME, ANY HOUR, AND ANYPLACE BY ANYBODY!!!Sometimes, kidnappers work in teams to distract a parent. Sure, parents allow their children to walk to school or play outside with friends. Does this mean they are guilty of “child endangerment” Are parents supposed to be at their children’s side every second of every day? If you are a true parent who knows the reality, you would TRY your DAMNEST! It’s called supervision and educating children and being smart!!! Sure, let your children socialize with their friends. In the middle of nowhere? No, I don’t think so? With family and friends and and environment you are very familiar with, yes. There are crazy, dangerous people everywhere, if adults can be victimized, so can children, obviously. Is it smart to allow a 7 year old to walk home at night? These days it is not even safe for an ADULT to be alone in BROAD DAYLIGHT.
    Is it smart to let children walk to school? Not if I can help it. And sure, as I’ve said before, a kidnapping needs no special set of circumstances, but obviously a kidnapper is going to look for the easiest, most convienent way. Like Elizabeth Smart. Kidnapped in her own home!The parents did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever. It was a horrible crime that happened. Yet the perpetrator knew the family first. Waited for the opportune time, in the middle of the night, with a weapon. Why didn’t he snatch the little girl while she was out with a group of friends? Then there was the other little girl, caught on video being approached and dragged away by a man. She was alone. The MANY children who are yanked off their bikes and thrown into a car, often these children are by themselves, or only 1-2 people around. In other words, NO PARENT SHOULD ALLOW OPPORTUNITIES FOR KIDNAPPING IF THEY CAN HELP IT. You HAVE to be paranoid. You have to assume what can and may happen. All it takes is a second. I can’t say it enough. I don’t even leave my DOG in the car for a second!!

  3. American Dad
    Mar 6th, 2008
    [3] | Flag |

    “Samara” You are the nutball I am afraid of my chid encountering.

    Get real.

    Seek therapy.

    Stay away from my children.

  4. Dont live in fear
    Mar 6th, 2008
    [4] | Flag |

    Samara, just curious… do you even have kids? I’m sorry for your loss if you have had or know someone whose child has been abducted. Do you stay awake and watch them while they sleep? What do you do when they’re at school recess? At a friends house? Are you RIGHT THERE? You are one stressed out, paranoid, swearing individual! It’s no wonder… you live in fear.

    So by your parenting standards, we should strap up our kids and put them in an empty room and lock the doors? what kind of life are you living? What kind of life are your kids living?

    What this mother did was nothing more or less than getting out of the car to fill it with gas. What this police officer did was wrong. The mother was within eyesight while she and her other kids were donating to Salvation Army. THAT Samara, is reponsible parenting. Leaving a sleeping toddler in a warm, locked, alarmed car was a safer environment than waking her up and exposing her to the elements. It only takes a SECOND to slip and fall and crack her childs head open!

    I hope this woman wins this ridiculous waste of tax payers money.

  5. FEARFUL PEOPLE
    Mar 6th, 2008
    [5] | Flag |

    All of you what if people are crazy. Many children are killed in parking lots, run over by cars every year. Many kids are killed in car accidents. These are horrible eyou should consider the risk of anything your children might be exposed to, but you shouldn’t live your lives in trembling fear.

    The mom left a little sleeping 2 year old in a warm car, she locked the door, she took the keys, I saw the video on the news, the cars hazard lights were on… the child was safe.

    She was standing a few feet away for a few minutes right by the car.

    And they took her baby.

    This is an attack on motherhood by the male dominated and created law enforcement system. You should all be outraged. The people who should protect have injured a family.

    I am outraged that this could happen. The family is a sacred thing and those cops went way too far over the line. Maybe it will be you and your family next.

  6. Another Good Mom
    Mar 7th, 2008
    [6] | Flag |

    This woman is my friend. She is an outstanding mother and is guilty of letting her baby sleep. She let the older kids have a great time being generous even though her 2 year old was sleepy. Which is more important, protecting the toddler from the almost impossible risk of carjacking (in that location, with her watching), or the chance to spontaneously do something great? If it were a Mastercard ad, it would be something like: “Cost of gas $2.05, digital photo prints: $1.25. Teaching the kids it’s ok to occasionally drop everything to go be generous? Priceless.”

    The former officer who wrote above has clearly seen hideous mistreatment of children. People can be horrible. Treffly is NOT horrible. Parenting is all about weighing risks. In this case, the risk was almost not there. The results of having a child who’d lost 20 minutes of sleep were far greater.

    Oh yeah. I bet the older kids who were “in protective custody” - just sitting at a Walmart are going to have a very hard time trusting police for quite some time. What damage will that cause?

  7. Chris
    Mar 10th, 2008
    [7] | Flag |

    Samara,
    Your choice of words portrays that you must have been an outstanding professional during your days as a Police Officer. Seriously, if you would like people to take your words seriously, use grown up language. You seem to have some major anger issues and are possibly one of those police officers that give others a poor reputation.

    I’d rather my child live a full life than one wrapped in fear and anger and as a ‘victim’. My brother was nearly abducted as a first grader, yet my parents continued to allow him to walk to school. He is now a healthy, happy, functional adult. What would he be like today if my parents had simply forbid him to ever be alone again? Not nearly the man that he is today. He probably would have been afraid to attend college and perhaps he would instead be sitting at home working in a factory. A sad, but very real possibility.

    Do you have children? Are they allowed to play in your yard unattended? Do you have a dog? Do you realize that your dog ‘could’ kill them? We have a 100 lb newfoundland mix and while she is certainly large enough and strong enough to kill any of my children and possibly myself since I only have about 10 lbs on her, I’m not worried.

    No one goes before their time. NO ONE.

    Law enforcement is completely out of hand. If they are going to arrest this women, then they also need to arrest every parent that allows their child to ride a bike without a protective helmet. Statistically, this is much more dangerous that allowing a child to sit in a car for a few minutes.

    Samara,
    I hope that you find the peace, love and joy that you so desperately need in your life.

  8. JenC
    Mar 11th, 2008
    [8] | Flag |

    I’m torn on this particular story. I think the mother should have been cited, but not had the baby taken from her. I have, on rare occasions, left my two in our car (in our driveway) as I ran back into the house for just a second to grab a sippy-cup or graham crackers for the road trip ahead. And the few times that I’ve done it, I’ve felt like an awful mother. But my children have never been more than a few feet away (our driveway is only about 5 feet from the front door). At the same time, I too have seen many stories where parents have left their children for “just a second” as I have, and horrible things have happened. I think the history of the parent should determine whether or not drastic action is taken. Has this mother ever done anything sub-par in her parenting before? Has she been proven to be neglectful or abusive? If not, thank God nothing happened, and chalk it up to a frightening learning experience. Then again, society has drastically changed in the last 15-20 years. The only question I have about this whole incident is WHY did they need to go drop money off for the Salvation Army? Those guys are around all the time, it couldn’t have possibly waited until the next day?

  9. Alissa in Tennessee
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [9] | Flag |

    Good luck tomorrow in court!
    No worries to the family! There isn’t a judge in this world that would side with the prosecution-
    I have no doubt you have an excellent attorney- no worries, no worries. sleep well tonight

    I hope none of the nonsense of these blogs ever reach your eyes.
    People that fire off about a case they know nothing about,
    shows their absolute ignorance.

    And remember… these people that are mean, and comment in a negative way, are pathetic little people with nothing to do
    other than slam people- they don’t count…they don’t matter…
    they are nothing…

    Ignore the blogs. Feel sorry for them. They don’t care about you or your case- they just want their 10 mins of fame on the internet…
    ooohhhhhh…. what a BIG deal! Fame on an internet blog. Whoopie!

    chin up!

  10. Acting normally
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [10] | Flag |

    Wow, samara is kind of crazy isn’t she?
    Anyway, Crestwood reaction is way out of bounds.
    Hello free college education for the young snapper.
    We all have had run-ins with dimwit officers (most are exceptional, outstanding and brave).
    Will enjoy this particular officer twisting in the breeze. I’m guessing there is a pattern here with this guy.

  11. Acting normally
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [11] | Flag |

    oh, and Samara, that’s not my real name. So please don’t try to track me down and kill me!

  12. Dad of 4 in Virginia
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [12] | Flag |

    Samara, you obviously dont have any children. And you know if you get of the drugs your taking you might see that you what you wrote is stupid!!!!!!!!!!!! “it ok to let your kids play outside” but not ok to do what Mrs.Coyne did?
    REMEMBER she set the alarm and LOCKED the doors and walked 30 feet away and keep the car in view ! Mrs.Coyne Didnt leave her Daughter in a stroller in the middle of the parking lot where some could get the child!!!!!

    Crack will make you paranoid. GET OFF OF IT “BITCH”

    Mrs.Coyne did nothing 3/4 of the moms in the US have done,
    but liberal idiots like you are screwing up this country! stay at home and live in a steel box!

  13. Multiples Mamma
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [13] | Flag |

    Samara, dear, lets try to complete a sentence without a curse word, mm-kay?! That kind of language is just a poor excuse for having a small vocabulary.
    It has already been pointed out, but children can be abducted right out of their own beds. I don’t think this mother did anything wrong. How many times have people given dirty looks to Moms that take their little ones out in bad weather? Well this Mom made the right decision to leave her daughter sleeping in the warm car. The car was locked and within her sight. Quit overreacting.
    I have three kids. Not too long ago I had three kids under the age of 2. Umm, there has been more than one occasion where I have left the kids strapped in their seats while I run into the house for a diaper or take the kids in one at a time. Does that make me a bad Mom? Please, explain to me how I’m supposed to do that differently. I wasn’t blessed with three arms.

  14. Dmackay67
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [14] | Flag |

    Sometimes I feel I’m living in a box. This is the first I’ve heard of this story and I’m absolutely outraged. There was more child endangerment caused by two of this woman’s older children seeing their mom get arrested. How absolutely traumatic that must have been for them. Another over zealous police officer who needs to take a vacation or find another line of work. My thoughts are with this poor mother. I don’t know her but I’m sure she’s a great mother teaching her children the importance of charity. I feel very very sorry that she and her family have been caught in this terrible mess that should never have happened. Lastly, Samara, you need a good therapist and I’m not trying to be cruel. Seek help today.

  15. Willieb4
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [15] | Flag |

    Samara, Sounds like a female name but I wouldn’t expect that point of view from a female. Samarra is a very violent city in Iraq. Maybe you’ve been there. It’s no place you want to stay long, I promise you that. Samara as you spelled it is a city in Russia and the name of that little girl from the movie the Ring. So far that name choice is looking highly suspicious. Kinda devils advocate ‘ish…problem is though. The way the world is today, we don’t need any advocates of the devil. Thank you for the perspective of the twisted side of life though. As everyone has pointed out, any of the terrible things that happen each day could happen regardless of the precautions taken. That doesn’t mean throw caution to the wind but it doesn’t mean living life in a bubble either. The police crossed the line. They are humans too. They made a mistake and like a lot of humans they are having a hard time admitting it. Not many people enjoy being wrong but it seems as though you have strong parallels with those same police that cross the line and then fight with everything they have to prove that what they did was right. It is not ok to remove the fly from your friends forehead by utilizing an axe or a sledgehammer, no matter how professional you are. Admit you are wrong and move on so that you can be respected when you really need to be like when you shoot the crackhead for coming at you with a butter knife. I can back you on that. This case wreaks of a personal vendetta against this family by some officials or shear stupidity on the part of those same officials (or both). If she broke the law, she broke the law. 10 minutes with no eyes on, she’s guilty. So far I haven’t seen that is the case. Maybe we aren’t being shown all of the evidence. Maybe there was a sign that said please break into my car and steal my child as soon as I turn my back. I don’t think so though. And if someone did take her child in the two minutes or so that she was 30 feet away, I have news for you. The guilty party is the kidknapper. By your reasoning Elizabeth Smarts parents should be in prison because they didn’t make her sleep between theme at night…the flip side of that would be that they would be wrong to make thier child sleep between them…I’ll stop here, I’ve endulged you enough. Your lack of repost shows that you have achieved what you set out to do and that was to do nothing more than draw attention to yourself.

  16. Joe
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [16] | Flag |

    This is worrisome on many levels. The fact that some believe we are all supposed to live in constant fear of ’something only taking a second’ is an incredibly destructive mindset. the psycology of constantly looking over your shoulder in fear of both ‘abductors’ and our ‘protectors’ who will arrest you immediately at the first instant of any percieved, never mind actual, neglect or abuse is verging on the pathological. I for one refuse to go through life in this destructive cycle because there is no end to it. This woman did nothing wrong, period. Thee is no disseminating this fact with saying “well, she should not do that, but she should not be jailed either”. She did nothing wrong, and that is clear, it is common sense. The police officer overstepped her bounds, by a long way. Police have boundaries, just as we all do. We trust their good judgement, but we trust it is done within the rule of law. Unfortunately, we have moved from the rule of law, to the law of rules. It is virtually impossible to live a single day in this country without breaking a law both intentionally or unintentionally. By the ideology that we cannot endanger anyone at any time with any action in any miniscule way, we should all be arrested immediately, as this is realistically not possible. Justice in this case would be the judge throwing this case out of his court, with predjudice, and charging the municipality for the court costs and an admonishment to the particular police officer and her department to not bring such drivel into his court room ever again. He should one step further and see if the DA might want to open an investigation into whether the police violated this womans constitutional rights, either federal or state.

  17. saddleupskip
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [17] | Flag |

    Samara, I’m sure you use that language in front of your own children and I’m sure, like you, they’ll grow into hypersensitive adults. Next time you post use your big girl language and maybe we wouldn’t all think you were a raving idiot. You were a police officer for 8 years? Lord help the city and the people you worked for. Honestly and I couldn’t be more serious right now: See professional help. You owe it to yourself and the rest of the world.

  18. saddleupskip
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [18] | Flag |

    Now, onto the real issue here. I 100% support Mrs. Coyne and I’m sure she’s a great mother. This actually happened me to. (Samara, hold on, this will shock and horrify you!). I left my 2 year old in my locked and alarmed Tahoe while I stood by the door of my son’s school watching him walk into his class and watching the truck at the same time. The next thing I knew I had a woman screaming at me, standing behind my truck so I couldn’t leave unless I ran her over (Hmmm, it did cross my mind) and calling 911. 5 minutes later 2 deputy sheriff’s and 2 state troopers arrived and when they saw what actually happened they laughed, wished me a great day and drove off. Wish it was the same for Treffly….

  19. CJ
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [19] | Flag |

    Read this.
    http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/07/348604.aspx

    That woman should be the one on trial. This case is completly unjust and unfair, and those who can’t see that are stupid, and should have their right to vote stripped from them, because I don’t want people that stupid allowed to make decisions that effect my life.

  20. NewYorkMom
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [20] | Flag |

    As a mom of two children, 7 & 11, I think that the police office was out of line. I can’t even consider that “leaving” children, if you are right there with your eye on the car all the time. If the child was awake and upset, then it would be wrong. The child was safe, comfortable and attended to. Obviously, this woman was a diligent mother.

    This Samara nut is looking to sensationalize this story. Obviously, she had some issues (still does). Lots of cursing, that’s abusive…. I agree she should get some professional help.

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