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Posted March 5th, 2008 by minortopics | Permalink

Tinley Park mom leaves child in car — endangerment?

Treffly Coyne, a mother in Tinley Park, Illinois, is facing a count of child endangerment after leaving her 2-year-old briefly locked inside her car as she and three other children ran up to the front of a Crestwood Wal-Mart to put money in a Salvation Army collection bucket. The case raises an interesting point — what is the threshold for the amount of time you can leave your child “alone” (the car was always in Coyne’s plain sight) until it becomes endangerment?

Coyne took her three daughters and a neighbor’s child to Wal-Mart on an icy night so her kids could donate money they collected to the Salvation Army.

When she drove up to the Wal-Mart entrance, her 2-year-old daughter was asleep. Rather than wake her up and risk falling on the icy pavement with the child in her arms, Coyne left her in her car seat, locked the car and walked about 30 feet away to a Salvation Army bell ringer’s bucket with the other three kids, the defense said.

A minute or two later as she and the kids walked back to the car, a community service officer from Crestwood was standing there and told her she was under arrest for child endangerment.

Coyne said she couldn’t believe what was happening because she was always within sight of her car, her husband said.


Information from: http://www.nbc5.com/family/15499107/deta...



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122 Responses
  1. American Dad
    Mar 5th, 2008
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    This case is about so much more than one mother and her two year old child in a Walmart parking lot.

    It is about our rights as parents and Americans. The police jailed this woman, took her two year old into ‘protective custody’, labeled her a child abuser and now SHE needs to defend herself and her motherhood in front of a judge. It should be THE POLICE defending their actions in front of a judge.

    If the mother wins, score one for our rights and liberties.

    If the mother loses:

    EVERY PARENT IN ILLINOIS WHO LETS THEIR CHILD WALK TO SCHOOL UNATTENDED BECOMES A CRIMINAL.

    This ‘little misdemeanor case’ has pretty big implications for all parents, all citizens of this country.

    Good luck to you on March 13 at your trial Treffly Coyne.

  2. Samara
    Mar 6th, 2008
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    I don’t care if you leave your child for a f****** SECOND! Abandonment and neglect has no time constraints. All it TAKES is a second for a child to be abducted. IN FACT, parents get a false sense of security when they briefly leave their child unattended. To the “American Dad” who says this woman at Wal-Mart’s rights as a “parent and an American” were violated: You OBVIOUSLY have NEVER had to deal with the horrors of child abduction. The officer who charged the f****** b**** with child endangerment: Thank you for doing your job. I too had the honor of being a police officer for 8 years, but it SICKENED me to see how many children are abducted, raped, tortured, and “sacraficed” and murdered. “American Dad” obviously thinks stuff like this doesn’t happen. No, don’t worry about your child being kidnapped if you turn your back for a second.Especially if you are in the loading zone at Wal-Mart. It’s ok, your child will be safe. BULL-SHIT!!! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?? IT ONLY TAKES A SECOND!! IT HAPPENS TO ANY CHILD, ANY PARENT, ANY FAMILY, ANYTIME, ANY HOUR, AND ANYPLACE BY ANYBODY!!!Sometimes, kidnappers work in teams to distract a parent. Sure, parents allow their children to walk to school or play outside with friends. Does this mean they are guilty of “child endangerment” Are parents supposed to be at their children’s side every second of every day? If you are a true parent who knows the reality, you would TRY your DAMNEST! It’s called supervision and educating children and being smart!!! Sure, let your children socialize with their friends. In the middle of nowhere? No, I don’t think so? With family and friends and and environment you are very familiar with, yes. There are crazy, dangerous people everywhere, if adults can be victimized, so can children, obviously. Is it smart to allow a 7 year old to walk home at night? These days it is not even safe for an ADULT to be alone in BROAD DAYLIGHT.
    Is it smart to let children walk to school? Not if I can help it. And sure, as I’ve said before, a kidnapping needs no special set of circumstances, but obviously a kidnapper is going to look for the easiest, most convienent way. Like Elizabeth Smart. Kidnapped in her own home!The parents did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever. It was a horrible crime that happened. Yet the perpetrator knew the family first. Waited for the opportune time, in the middle of the night, with a weapon. Why didn’t he snatch the little girl while she was out with a group of friends? Then there was the other little girl, caught on video being approached and dragged away by a man. She was alone. The MANY children who are yanked off their bikes and thrown into a car, often these children are by themselves, or only 1-2 people around. In other words, NO PARENT SHOULD ALLOW OPPORTUNITIES FOR KIDNAPPING IF THEY CAN HELP IT. You HAVE to be paranoid. You have to assume what can and may happen. All it takes is a second. I can’t say it enough. I don’t even leave my DOG in the car for a second!!

  3. American Dad
    Mar 6th, 2008
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    “Samara” You are the nutball I am afraid of my chid encountering.

    Get real.

    Seek therapy.

    Stay away from my children.

  4. Dont live in fear
    Mar 6th, 2008
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    Samara, just curious… do you even have kids? I’m sorry for your loss if you have had or know someone whose child has been abducted. Do you stay awake and watch them while they sleep? What do you do when they’re at school recess? At a friends house? Are you RIGHT THERE? You are one stressed out, paranoid, swearing individual! It’s no wonder… you live in fear.

    So by your parenting standards, we should strap up our kids and put them in an empty room and lock the doors? what kind of life are you living? What kind of life are your kids living?

    What this mother did was nothing more or less than getting out of the car to fill it with gas. What this police officer did was wrong. The mother was within eyesight while she and her other kids were donating to Salvation Army. THAT Samara, is reponsible parenting. Leaving a sleeping toddler in a warm, locked, alarmed car was a safer environment than waking her up and exposing her to the elements. It only takes a SECOND to slip and fall and crack her childs head open!

    I hope this woman wins this ridiculous waste of tax payers money.

  5. FEARFUL PEOPLE
    Mar 6th, 2008
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    All of you what if people are crazy. Many children are killed in parking lots, run over by cars every year. Many kids are killed in car accidents. These are horrible eyou should consider the risk of anything your children might be exposed to, but you shouldn’t live your lives in trembling fear.

    The mom left a little sleeping 2 year old in a warm car, she locked the door, she took the keys, I saw the video on the news, the cars hazard lights were on… the child was safe.

    She was standing a few feet away for a few minutes right by the car.

    And they took her baby.

    This is an attack on motherhood by the male dominated and created law enforcement system. You should all be outraged. The people who should protect have injured a family.

    I am outraged that this could happen. The family is a sacred thing and those cops went way too far over the line. Maybe it will be you and your family next.

  6. Another Good Mom
    Mar 7th, 2008
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    This woman is my friend. She is an outstanding mother and is guilty of letting her baby sleep. She let the older kids have a great time being generous even though her 2 year old was sleepy. Which is more important, protecting the toddler from the almost impossible risk of carjacking (in that location, with her watching), or the chance to spontaneously do something great? If it were a Mastercard ad, it would be something like: “Cost of gas $2.05, digital photo prints: $1.25. Teaching the kids it’s ok to occasionally drop everything to go be generous? Priceless.”

    The former officer who wrote above has clearly seen hideous mistreatment of children. People can be horrible. Treffly is NOT horrible. Parenting is all about weighing risks. In this case, the risk was almost not there. The results of having a child who’d lost 20 minutes of sleep were far greater.

    Oh yeah. I bet the older kids who were “in protective custody” - just sitting at a Walmart are going to have a very hard time trusting police for quite some time. What damage will that cause?

  7. Chris
    Mar 10th, 2008
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    Samara,
    Your choice of words portrays that you must have been an outstanding professional during your days as a Police Officer. Seriously, if you would like people to take your words seriously, use grown up language. You seem to have some major anger issues and are possibly one of those police officers that give others a poor reputation.

    I’d rather my child live a full life than one wrapped in fear and anger and as a ‘victim’. My brother was nearly abducted as a first grader, yet my parents continued to allow him to walk to school. He is now a healthy, happy, functional adult. What would he be like today if my parents had simply forbid him to ever be alone again? Not nearly the man that he is today. He probably would have been afraid to attend college and perhaps he would instead be sitting at home working in a factory. A sad, but very real possibility.

    Do you have children? Are they allowed to play in your yard unattended? Do you have a dog? Do you realize that your dog ‘could’ kill them? We have a 100 lb newfoundland mix and while she is certainly large enough and strong enough to kill any of my children and possibly myself since I only have about 10 lbs on her, I’m not worried.

    No one goes before their time. NO ONE.

    Law enforcement is completely out of hand. If they are going to arrest this women, then they also need to arrest every parent that allows their child to ride a bike without a protective helmet. Statistically, this is much more dangerous that allowing a child to sit in a car for a few minutes.

    Samara,
    I hope that you find the peace, love and joy that you so desperately need in your life.

  8. JenC
    Mar 11th, 2008
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    I’m torn on this particular story. I think the mother should have been cited, but not had the baby taken from her. I have, on rare occasions, left my two in our car (in our driveway) as I ran back into the house for just a second to grab a sippy-cup or graham crackers for the road trip ahead. And the few times that I’ve done it, I’ve felt like an awful mother. But my children have never been more than a few feet away (our driveway is only about 5 feet from the front door). At the same time, I too have seen many stories where parents have left their children for “just a second” as I have, and horrible things have happened. I think the history of the parent should determine whether or not drastic action is taken. Has this mother ever done anything sub-par in her parenting before? Has she been proven to be neglectful or abusive? If not, thank God nothing happened, and chalk it up to a frightening learning experience. Then again, society has drastically changed in the last 15-20 years. The only question I have about this whole incident is WHY did they need to go drop money off for the Salvation Army? Those guys are around all the time, it couldn’t have possibly waited until the next day?

  9. Alissa in Tennessee
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [9] | Flag |

    Good luck tomorrow in court!
    No worries to the family! There isn’t a judge in this world that would side with the prosecution-
    I have no doubt you have an excellent attorney- no worries, no worries. sleep well tonight

    I hope none of the nonsense of these blogs ever reach your eyes.
    People that fire off about a case they know nothing about,
    shows their absolute ignorance.

    And remember… these people that are mean, and comment in a negative way, are pathetic little people with nothing to do
    other than slam people- they don’t count…they don’t matter…
    they are nothing…

    Ignore the blogs. Feel sorry for them. They don’t care about you or your case- they just want their 10 mins of fame on the internet…
    ooohhhhhh…. what a BIG deal! Fame on an internet blog. Whoopie!

    chin up!

  10. Acting normally
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Wow, samara is kind of crazy isn’t she?
    Anyway, Crestwood reaction is way out of bounds.
    Hello free college education for the young snapper.
    We all have had run-ins with dimwit officers (most are exceptional, outstanding and brave).
    Will enjoy this particular officer twisting in the breeze. I’m guessing there is a pattern here with this guy.

  11. Acting normally
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    oh, and Samara, that’s not my real name. So please don’t try to track me down and kill me!

  12. Dad of 4 in Virginia
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Samara, you obviously dont have any children. And you know if you get of the drugs your taking you might see that you what you wrote is stupid!!!!!!!!!!!! “it ok to let your kids play outside” but not ok to do what Mrs.Coyne did?
    REMEMBER she set the alarm and LOCKED the doors and walked 30 feet away and keep the car in view ! Mrs.Coyne Didnt leave her Daughter in a stroller in the middle of the parking lot where some could get the child!!!!!

    Crack will make you paranoid. GET OFF OF IT “BITCH”

    Mrs.Coyne did nothing 3/4 of the moms in the US have done,
    but liberal idiots like you are screwing up this country! stay at home and live in a steel box!

  13. Multiples Mamma
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Samara, dear, lets try to complete a sentence without a curse word, mm-kay?! That kind of language is just a poor excuse for having a small vocabulary.
    It has already been pointed out, but children can be abducted right out of their own beds. I don’t think this mother did anything wrong. How many times have people given dirty looks to Moms that take their little ones out in bad weather? Well this Mom made the right decision to leave her daughter sleeping in the warm car. The car was locked and within her sight. Quit overreacting.
    I have three kids. Not too long ago I had three kids under the age of 2. Umm, there has been more than one occasion where I have left the kids strapped in their seats while I run into the house for a diaper or take the kids in one at a time. Does that make me a bad Mom? Please, explain to me how I’m supposed to do that differently. I wasn’t blessed with three arms.

  14. Dmackay67
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Sometimes I feel I’m living in a box. This is the first I’ve heard of this story and I’m absolutely outraged. There was more child endangerment caused by two of this woman’s older children seeing their mom get arrested. How absolutely traumatic that must have been for them. Another over zealous police officer who needs to take a vacation or find another line of work. My thoughts are with this poor mother. I don’t know her but I’m sure she’s a great mother teaching her children the importance of charity. I feel very very sorry that she and her family have been caught in this terrible mess that should never have happened. Lastly, Samara, you need a good therapist and I’m not trying to be cruel. Seek help today.

  15. Willieb4
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Samara, Sounds like a female name but I wouldn’t expect that point of view from a female. Samarra is a very violent city in Iraq. Maybe you’ve been there. It’s no place you want to stay long, I promise you that. Samara as you spelled it is a city in Russia and the name of that little girl from the movie the Ring. So far that name choice is looking highly suspicious. Kinda devils advocate ‘ish…problem is though. The way the world is today, we don’t need any advocates of the devil. Thank you for the perspective of the twisted side of life though. As everyone has pointed out, any of the terrible things that happen each day could happen regardless of the precautions taken. That doesn’t mean throw caution to the wind but it doesn’t mean living life in a bubble either. The police crossed the line. They are humans too. They made a mistake and like a lot of humans they are having a hard time admitting it. Not many people enjoy being wrong but it seems as though you have strong parallels with those same police that cross the line and then fight with everything they have to prove that what they did was right. It is not ok to remove the fly from your friends forehead by utilizing an axe or a sledgehammer, no matter how professional you are. Admit you are wrong and move on so that you can be respected when you really need to be like when you shoot the crackhead for coming at you with a butter knife. I can back you on that. This case wreaks of a personal vendetta against this family by some officials or shear stupidity on the part of those same officials (or both). If she broke the law, she broke the law. 10 minutes with no eyes on, she’s guilty. So far I haven’t seen that is the case. Maybe we aren’t being shown all of the evidence. Maybe there was a sign that said please break into my car and steal my child as soon as I turn my back. I don’t think so though. And if someone did take her child in the two minutes or so that she was 30 feet away, I have news for you. The guilty party is the kidknapper. By your reasoning Elizabeth Smarts parents should be in prison because they didn’t make her sleep between theme at night…the flip side of that would be that they would be wrong to make thier child sleep between them…I’ll stop here, I’ve endulged you enough. Your lack of repost shows that you have achieved what you set out to do and that was to do nothing more than draw attention to yourself.

  16. Joe
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    This is worrisome on many levels. The fact that some believe we are all supposed to live in constant fear of ’something only taking a second’ is an incredibly destructive mindset. the psycology of constantly looking over your shoulder in fear of both ‘abductors’ and our ‘protectors’ who will arrest you immediately at the first instant of any percieved, never mind actual, neglect or abuse is verging on the pathological. I for one refuse to go through life in this destructive cycle because there is no end to it. This woman did nothing wrong, period. Thee is no disseminating this fact with saying “well, she should not do that, but she should not be jailed either”. She did nothing wrong, and that is clear, it is common sense. The police officer overstepped her bounds, by a long way. Police have boundaries, just as we all do. We trust their good judgement, but we trust it is done within the rule of law. Unfortunately, we have moved from the rule of law, to the law of rules. It is virtually impossible to live a single day in this country without breaking a law both intentionally or unintentionally. By the ideology that we cannot endanger anyone at any time with any action in any miniscule way, we should all be arrested immediately, as this is realistically not possible. Justice in this case would be the judge throwing this case out of his court, with predjudice, and charging the municipality for the court costs and an admonishment to the particular police officer and her department to not bring such drivel into his court room ever again. He should one step further and see if the DA might want to open an investigation into whether the police violated this womans constitutional rights, either federal or state.

  17. saddleupskip
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Samara, I’m sure you use that language in front of your own children and I’m sure, like you, they’ll grow into hypersensitive adults. Next time you post use your big girl language and maybe we wouldn’t all think you were a raving idiot. You were a police officer for 8 years? Lord help the city and the people you worked for. Honestly and I couldn’t be more serious right now: See professional help. You owe it to yourself and the rest of the world.

  18. saddleupskip
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Now, onto the real issue here. I 100% support Mrs. Coyne and I’m sure she’s a great mother. This actually happened me to. (Samara, hold on, this will shock and horrify you!). I left my 2 year old in my locked and alarmed Tahoe while I stood by the door of my son’s school watching him walk into his class and watching the truck at the same time. The next thing I knew I had a woman screaming at me, standing behind my truck so I couldn’t leave unless I ran her over (Hmmm, it did cross my mind) and calling 911. 5 minutes later 2 deputy sheriff’s and 2 state troopers arrived and when they saw what actually happened they laughed, wished me a great day and drove off. Wish it was the same for Treffly….

  19. CJ
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Read this.
    http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/07/348604.aspx

    That woman should be the one on trial. This case is completly unjust and unfair, and those who can’t see that are stupid, and should have their right to vote stripped from them, because I don’t want people that stupid allowed to make decisions that effect my life.

  20. NewYorkMom
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    As a mom of two children, 7 & 11, I think that the police office was out of line. I can’t even consider that “leaving” children, if you are right there with your eye on the car all the time. If the child was awake and upset, then it would be wrong. The child was safe, comfortable and attended to. Obviously, this woman was a diligent mother.

    This Samara nut is looking to sensationalize this story. Obviously, she had some issues (still does). Lots of cursing, that’s abusive…. I agree she should get some professional help.

  21. Jane
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    This is just nuts. Normally I take a very cautious view and am the first to criticize parents who take chances. But there were no chances being taken here!!! The car was locked, not running, mom was just STEPS away and the car was never out of her sight. I feel awful for this poor woman. What is the law? That a child has to be in your arms at all times?

  22. Tom
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Childred are abused every day, unspeakable crimes by sick people. A good mother securely locks her sleeping 2 year old (in the middle of the winter, no chance of heat stroke) in an alarmed vehicle, and goes no further than 10 yards from the vehicle for a few minutes to commit a charitable act. Ya know cops are worthless. A good cop would have seen this was not in any way a case of neglect. Quit wasting our tax money and go find some real criminals committing violent crimes and leave the rest of us law abiding citizens alone! Or would you rather patrol in the suburbs where there is nothing to do but eat donuts and get even fatter.

  23. FlintDad
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Treffly Coyne did nothing wrong. Good Luck to you. Samara I couldn’t read your whole article. I quit after the first few sentences, unrealistic. In this world today anything can happen anytime or place. The police have gotten to the point in this country,with the largest prison population in the world, that they believe that their beliefs are law. They have become a society of Blue. Police now over react rather than react. Common sense seems to be missing in training police officers. Once Again, Mrs. Coyne the best of luck to you, my prayers are with you.

  24. January24
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    This is just another outrageous example of unjustified, ridicuous government intrusion. The mother did nothing wrong; the police are nuts. Not only was it absolutely crazy to take custody of the baby, it was highly irresponsible and dangerous for the police to leave the three older girls on their own. Life has risks. Every single night, I live my children “unattended” while I sleep. They could get up and go outside, they could climb to the tops of the kitchen cabinets, they could play with fire or take medicine. Where is common sense in the Coyne case? There was an infintesimally small risk to the baby. You know, if the mom had taken the baby out of the car, the baby could’ve been struck by lightning or hit by a meteor. Government, OUT OF OUR LIVES!!!!

  25. Da Po-lees
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Mrs. Coyne’s mistake was arguing with a lady cop. I can just hear the tirade coming from the police officer. Anyone who has been pulled over by a female officer should know to only say “Yes, ma’am; no ma’am; I’m really sorry, ma’am; you’re right, ma’am.” I hope the judge will recognize this clear abuse of power, and will award the officer a dog to kick instead of the citizenry.

  26. January24
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    And, I forgot to say this: Yes, Samara, all of the others are right. You ARE nuts. Please remember to wear your steel armour (and outfit your kids in it) when you go to the park. You know, mountain lions and coyotes are creeping into populated areas.

  27. Inflammateur
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Give those police officers a break. You have no idea how much pressure they are under to meet quota for arrests every month!

    Treffly Coyne, I wish you luck. You are a great mom and I hope you win. I doubt any sane judge/jury would convict you.

    And this “Samara”, good luck in your mental rehab. Don’t get arrested for leaving your medication bottle for too long.

  28. Karen
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Calm down Samara! The Mum was within in sight of a locked, alarmed car! I’m sure she’d have heard the alarm go off if someone tried to break into the car and steal it (not that anyone would be stupid enough to try with so many people around). And if someone tried to steal the toddler instead of the car they’d have to break into the car (again, setting off the alarm) and unbuckle the baby to get it out - not exactly a quick and easy thing to do!

    Let’s looks at the stats Samara. A child is far, FAR more likely to be abused, raped, and tortured by someone they know, be it a parent, relative, babysitter, teacher, or neighbour - then to be abducted by a stranger!!!

    She didn’t do a damn thing wrong and I know plenty of mothers that would do the same and not think twice about it. I roamed all over the streets of my town for hours when I was a kid and was left in the care while my Mum or Dad ran into pay for gas, etc. and I survived. And before you point out that it was years ago when things were ’safer’ - things weren’t. There were two kids found raped and murdered in our small town over two years when I was a kid… one by a neighbour and one by a family friend BTW.

    In this case the police were wrong and they should admit it. There isn’t a social worker out there that would look at this case and call it abuse. Abuse would be dragging that poor baby out in the cold, miserable weather. And good on Treffly for teaching her other children the value of generosity and charity! That’s the sign of a good parent! Here’s hoping her kids get through the trauma of seeing her get arrested.

  29. StunnedinOntario
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    I won’t attack Samara, everyone else seems to have done a fine job on that… but I have to wonder…

    - Baby left in car for 10 minutes
    - Car locked, hazards on
    - Mom was a few yards away
    - Two older children were with her

    Everyone has talked about the 2 year old left in the car seat, but little has been said about the trauma the older two children suffered watching Treffly, first being accosted verbally by the community service officer, then subsequently arrested by a police officer. The anguish these two young children suffered on that day, and I’m sure the days following, is more of a case of abuse than leaving the two year old to begin with.

    So what happens now? Treffly will very likely be aquitted, but what kind of repercussions will the community service officer and the police officer have to deal with? Are they being cited for over-reacting? Have they been put on administrative leave? Is there any kind of re-education happening that will teach them how to appropriately deal with something similar in future?

    We read about all sorts of abuse scandles in the papers every day, and if there’s an arrest to be made, the children are removed from the situation as quickly as possible to avoid the trauma I mentioned above.

    This police officer and the social community worker sicken me. They weren’t worried about the best interest of the child, they were worried about “teaching her a lesson”. That’s for the courts, which a citation would have most certainly dealt with at the appropriate time, in the appropriate forum.

    God Bless you Treffly, I will pray for you tomorrow, and for the judge to see the truth among the madness.

  30. Darin
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    So when my wife parks at the back of the wal-mart parking lot, and has to return the cart 200 feet away in the next lane, my wife should have to carry our 8 month old baby and 2 year old, and corral our 5 yr old and 7 yr old and risk getting run over or backed into? that is ridiculous. Samara, if i read your post to my children how do you think they would feel? Should I seek emotional damages? Get some counseling, and have some children. Mellow out woman. And I hope that Treffly wins hands down as this is all absolutely ridiculous.

  31. Mike
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    You know, when the child-savers went to the lawmakers to get the authority from the government to persecute neglective parents they showed pictures of children starved and beaten black and blue by parents who were drug users, etc. So now lawmakers give CPS & police all the power in the world to protect children and this is how they use their power- arresting a mom who stepped a few feet away to teach her children about charitable giving? Please- do a reality check. Stop wasting the energies of people who need to be spending their efforts on truly neglected children. It’s clearly an abuse of authority. This is a growing trend that needs to stop. Paranoid people who have had a bad experience want everyone to over-react. If you have had a bad experience, I’m sorry, but punish the criminals who did it- not earnest parents.

  32. Damon
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    ok everyone scroll back up to CJ’s #19 post and view the aricle he linked…why isn’t that woman in prison?!?!
    http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/07/348604.aspx
    she killed her baby!(maybe )it was an accident but she showed serious neglect by “forgetting”the child was in the backseat. how does any responsible parent “forget” that they have a chld in the car with them? this should have been investigated further …as for Treffly Coyne,i hope you come out of this because this is an obvious abuse of power by the so-caloled “protecters” of our society.

  33. RobertoDL
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Wow, Samara is more nutty than the Police on this matter, and that is saying a lot. Both need to experience their karma so they can know how much damage they are causing with their vitriolic words and actions against an obviously innocent woman in this matter. They not only insult and injure Treffly Coyne and parents like her, they also insult and injure themselves. It would be best if the authorities and people like Samara stop this abusive crossing of lines immediately, and apologize to Treffly Coyne, and all parents like her. “Judge not lest you be judged”… does that ring a bell? “Du du du Ding!… The fries are ready!”

  34. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
    [34] | Flag |

    All of you who think you baby is safer in the car should have a CPS case opened against you. Is everyone supporting this women for real? I don’t care how far, how long, the fact she could see the car…that is all irrelevant. What would you preception be if it was teh middle of the summer? I know thats not the case in this circumstance…kids are so vulnerable and so innocent…

    The smart thing would have been to wait until her child woke up and then go donate the money…then all three kids would have been involved and one not neglected.

    She shouldn’t have the book thrown at her, but she shouldn’t be let off either. Did it deserve a CPS investigation, sure it did. And if I was the mother, i would invite the CPS to come visit the house to show she is a good parent and then she made a mistake.

    Leaving a child in a car, even worse a locked car, is unacceptable no matter what the situation.

    She should have evaluated the situation and made a better decision…I hope she learned a lesson.

  35. Momto4
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Treffly, I hope you win today! You did nothing wrong. Anyone who has 2 kids or more knows what a juggling act being a mom is. I’ve done similar with my own. I NEVER leave my kids out of sight, I NEVER leave my keys in the car, I NEVER leave them for longer than it takes to either drop a letter in the mailbox or fill the van with gas, and I always lock the doors and arm the alarm. This is basically what this mother did and so many other good parents do.
    But then I see in the news of how a car was stolen with a toddler/baby in the car. And while the majority of the time there is a happy ending, you never hear about those parents getting their child taken away by CPS or the parents hauled off to prison for their neglect to keep their vehicle in sight, their keys with them and the doors locked. Big double standard don’t you think?!
    Treffly Coyne should be found not guilty and her children and the children’s friend should receive psychological counseling at the expense of the arresting city police. Abandoning and scaring to death 3 vulnerable little girls by the police is inexcusable. A big apology is in order from the police - but of course we know that will never happen!
    Good luck!

  36. Beth
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Just think of how many people are abused by police. We only hear about the outrageous cases but I don’t know anyone who has ever had a positive experience when dealing with the police. And I’m talking about victims not people who have been arrested. The majority of police are jerks. Just watch the show Cops. These cops know they’re being filmed and even then they find it hard to act professionally.

  37. GBSportsMom
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    This is so ridiculous that I don’t even know where to begin. She was no further away from her car than she would have been if she returned a cart to the cart corral. She locked the car and the child was sleeping. I absolutely would have done the same thing and would not have thought twice about it. Besides the trauma to the mother…what about the impact on the children. The older children were terrified and probably don’t trust the police to actually protect them now. Not to mention the trauma for the little one to be hauled off by strangers…I find that to be much more damaging to her than sleeping in a locked car that her mother is in plain sight of!! As far as Samara’s comments….I don’t even have words to describe your thoughts…insane comes to mind but that seems to be putting it too mildly.

    I wish this mother all my best in this situation and she will be in my prayers!

  38. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Darin says…So when my wife parks at the back of the wal-mart parking lot, and has to return the cart 200 feet away in the next lane, my wife should have to carry our 8 month old baby and 2 year old, and corral our 5 yr old and 7 yr old and risk getting run over or backed into?

    Yes, what is wrong with you people…you dont leave kids, unatteneded in cars period, ever!!!!

    If you have a load of kids, then plan in advance and get a nanny or a sitter once a week while you go shopping…

    I am so surpised so many people think this is acceptable.

    What would have happened if one of the two kids threw a fit and took off running into the walmart…or what if both took off running in opposite directions even…that is something that is very easy to see happening…then what does she do???

    This is not ok people…stop supporting her. She seems like a good parent, trying to instill goodwill in her kids…very admireable…but I hope she learned a leason…

  39. RobertoDL
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Sam, is that short for Samara?

  40. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    That would just be silly wouldnt it…hell naw I am not Samara…I guess I am just a better parent than you, eh?

  41. RobertoDL
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Naw, just a better nut case.

  42. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    whatever dude…go check your kids…im sure you have them locked it the car…but hey, its ok cuz you can see them from inside the comfort of your own home…right? They must be safe…

  43. shell shocked
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Treffly-
    I am so sorry that this has happened to your family.
    I had a run in with the law regarding leaving my kids unattended several years ago.
    At that time I was a young mother of 2 little kids and didn’t even know that it was an actual law that you couldn’t leave your kids in the car, no matter the circumstances.
    I did leave mine in a locked, vented, shaded and not running car on a fall day (which was not hot or cold). I was gone 12min in a building where i had to quickly drop some important mortgage papers off.
    I was surprised when I came out and a police officer was at my car and told me what I did was against the law. A lady going to lunch saw my kids and had called the police. I was given a citation with a court appearance. I got to go up and have everyone else listen to the judge as I was asked if I plead guilty to leaving my kids unattended.
    I do believe I plead guilty or no contest, because yes I had left them (even though I felt my situation had been a safe environment). I know that if I had tried to dispute the circumstances, I would have been arrested and jailed or fined heavily. I was ordered to take a parenting class of my choosing (I took Love and Logic- which had nothing to do with leaving my kids in the car). I then had to go back and see the judge after I finished my class. I guess to see if a class had reformed me? Well, it had… I was saw that I could have my kids removed for any little thing… which would put them in my spouse’s care? Not sure what would have happened. So from then on I have been paranoid about what other “do gooders” are out there that are waiting for me to make a mistake and call it breaking the law.
    I guess if you are a busy mom that left her kids in a safe car for a few minutes, you immediately need classes for everything you do as a mom. Well, I know I am a good mom that takes care of all my kids and makes sure they learn about strangers and all the dangers out there. I don’t make them afraid to step out of there door. The government is not in charge of raising my children… I am. I hope that our system of law enforcers can use there common sense and maybe some empathy when interpreting the laws they are trying to enforce.
    I have a friend that was also ticketed for having her kids in the car of a friend’s driveway, while she was just inside the door of the friend’s house- taking her some cookies.
    I guess that the police are more concerned about over worked soccer moms (not the ones that go killing their kids) then about real criminals. Not enough crime in the suburbs? Not so!
    Good luck and God bless on you and your family, Treffly. I would say not to worry, but our society seems to be going down hill in the “trust its citizens with their own families” department. Just remember this when voting for the next president, who will decide what government and law enforcers are aloud to do in your family.

  44. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    shell shocked says: I guess that the police are more concerned about over worked soccer moms (not the ones that go killing their kids) then about real criminals. Not enough crime in the suburbs? Not so!

    Easy to see an overworked soccer mom forgetting her kids in the car, tired and all…it only takes one mistake to have a tragic outcome…Cops just looking out for the welfare of the kids…they are at the mercy of their parents…and apparently most of the parents feel its ok to leave a kid strapped in to a carseat in a locked car…unbelievable!

  45. Dad of 3 in Kentucky
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Good luck in court tomorrow, I agree with others that say that no judge in their right mind would convict you of any crime!

    From reading the above comments, the majority of the parents that have posted need to go turn themselves into local authorities for doing what you did, myself included…

    Just the other day, I left my 6 year old son in my truck as I opened my door next to my wife’s van to swap the car seat out of her van into my truck so our 2 year old could ride home with me while my wife attended a shool function with our 10 year old daughter.

    I read stories everyday, as I’m sure most of us do, about “parents” that abuse, neglect, or even throw their kids off of bridges that will probably plead insanity and be out walking amongst us again in a few years…and the police had the audacity to actually cuff Mrs. Coyne in front of her children, and worse yet, take her 2 year old child into “protective custody”…how ridiculous is that?!?

    The Coyne’s are obviously great parents and very intellignet people judging by Mr. Coyne’s advice to his wife not to speak to authorities until he arrived, not to mention Mrs. Coyne teaching their children to give generously to those in need.

    This is a gross waste of tax payer’s time, and money and is an insult to loving parents everywhere that are doing best by their chidlren.

  46. Multiples Mamma
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Sam, do you have children? If so, I am willing to say with 100% certainty that at some point in your children’s lives you have or will do something that someone else would deem as unsafe. Leave the lock off the cleaning cabinet door? Leave your front door unlocked? Things like that happen. Its called life. No one is perfect and you cannot protect your children from every little thing. You are absolutely being ridiculous to say that a mother should hire a sitter or nanny so she can do her weekly shopping. Go find another hobby than to come and criticize ever parent here.

  47. Tom
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    What a joke this all is. Does anyone know whether there is a way to donate to the Coynes? Legal fees are never cheap. It burns me up to watch a good parent have to deal with this cr*p. My siblings and I think of our mom as the best mother a person could have, and I know she’s done similar things with us. I guess from now on, when a mother fills up her tank at a gas station, she should pull up to the pump, wake her sleeping toddler, and hold the toddler while she fills up her gas tank. Also, it’s my understanding (I might be wrong) that the cops just left the other kids at the store after they arrested Ms. Coyne?! If that is true, that seems a lot closer to child endangerment than what Ms. Coyne is accused of.

    P.S. Samara, you forgot to take you meds. DON’T FORGET TO TAKE THEM EVER AGAIN! YOU GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU’RE A LUNATIC WHEN YOU’RE NOT ON THEM!!!!!

  48. AustinAvatar
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Sam (& Samara)

    You guys must have worn a padded helmet to school. I hate to drop down to the level of a personal attack but both of you need to stop drinking kool-aid or something.

    The child was safer in a locked car, in a car seat, out of the sleet and rain, than it was standing near a major street. End of story.

    The nanny state mentality has got to end. Cops are to protect and serve. Worst case, the cop could have stayed at the car, watching the child, and then talked to the mother about better planning her itinerary. But charging this woman with a crime? Ridiculous. The mere process of arresting the mother put the kids in more danger than doing nothing at all.

    This had nothing to do with protecting the kids and everything to do with a stupid cop on a power trip. Throw the b**** cop in jail and give the mom a medal.

  49. Debbie
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Sam,

    Not all parents can afford a sitter or a nanny. I have 2 year-old twins and I’m lucky enough that I have never needed to go anywhere without either our nanny or my husband. But there are several other moms in my parents of multiple club are not so lucky. They had to go everywhere –do everything with their kids.

    By the way, how old are you? not in school today?

  50. Joe
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    But Multiples, people like Sam ARE perfect. It is the only way they can be 100% certain that they know what is dangerous and what is not, and know it for every situation and for every person. It is why they pass laws because we are so damnably dumb, that they must show us all the light. They are always in the right because their mantra is ’safety’ and ’save the children’, etc, etc, never do they trouble their conscience with what the unintended consequences of their rules are, that is not a bother, only thing that matters is they feel good about themselves because they know how we should all live. It is a terrible burden for those so obviously advanced and progressive over the rest of us. Problem is of course, despite their crusade to ’solve’ every wrong they see, they are actually the problem.

  51. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    All of you are a joke, I’ve been cordial and on the level…and I am sure its a safe bet that my educational background trumps yours, but that’s not why I am here.

    I have a 3yr old son and working on kid number 2…I do not have a ton of cash, nor do we have a nanny…and yes I can say I have never, not once….locked my kid in the car unattended….if he’s sleeping and I need gas and have to go in a pay…I gently unbuckle him, go in and pay, and bring him back….hopefully still asleep. I live in the DFW area and can safely say the car is the last place you want your child left unattended. Between the crime and the temps around it, it is not a safe thing to do.

    The temp in a car, vented or not, can approach dangerous levels in less than 20min. Every year I hear about a handful of kids who were either abducted or died in the car due to being left unattended…heck half the time the parents were right inside the C-store watching from the window…Most parents are not aware of how fast things can go wrong. I for one, no matter how cold, how much of a hurry, how quick,etc, etc, would ever leave my kid in the car…period.

    Heck our daycare at the church will call the cops if a parent leaves the older kid in the car while they bring in the little one.

    It is just not a gamble I am willing to take with most precious thing in my life…sorry…I will inconvenience myself before I leave little Sam in the car alone.

    Most of what I am talking about here are younger kids who are strapped in a carseat. Not the 7-10 year old that can act on commands or get themselves out of the car on their own in case of danger… It is the child that can not do on his own who is most at risk…like the 2yr old in this case.

  52. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    I can’t see the future, I don’t claim to know what actions present more risk than others, and I have certainly never claimed to be perfect…what I do know is i can minimize the potential risk by being proactive in my actions…ie..taking the extra time to unbuckle the kid, even though it would take longer than if i just ran in and paid. It’s all about mitigating risk.

    Some crazy walmart shopper may have plowed into the car parked in the loading zone…heck just the other night some car ran smack into a parked 18-wheeler…just a freak accident.

    Again, mitigating the risk. Why take the chance with your child?

  53. Tom
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Sam,

    If you can post even one story in which an abduction or dangerous temperature change occurred in a situation with facts that are otherwise identical to the story here, I would be astounded. If a parent pays with a credit card at the pump, should he or she wake the child up and hold the child while pumping gas? What Ms. Coyne did was the smart, normal thing to do. What if she had done what Samara suggested, and dropped her kid on the pavement by accident? That’s more likely than the doomsday scenarios of a kid freezing to death in 5 minutes or being abducted while the doors are locked and the alarm is on. Most parents care a lot more about their kids than the government or some Wal-Mart meter maid does. Let them take care of their kids.

  54. Damon
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/07/348604.aspx !?!?!?!
    go figure. and this pooor lady is being put through all this because she stepped maybe 30 feet away from her car to teach her other two children a little about being charitable & found herself a victim of the nanny state we live in. I have to wonder how is this going to effect her children’s view of police now?

  55. Da Po-lees
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    She needs to teach her kids that many police use their uniform as a club to lord over the citizenry. Legal over-compensation. “Yes, ma’am; sorry ma’am, you’re right, ma’am, I’ll never do it again, ma’am.” Good thing she didn’t get her head clubbed. Notice one of the charges is “obstruction of justice.” NEVER ARGUE WITH A COP - ESPECIALLY A LADY COP!

  56. Audra
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Utterly ridiculous that woman is facing charges, especially when she could see her car the entire time. I have two kids and I keep them in the car everytime we get our mail from the Post Office. By the time I can unbuckle them and get them out of the car and to the door, I can run in by myself and be back in the drivers seat. I lock the doors, alarm the car, and run in. Timing myself it takes about 50 seconds from when I step out of my car and when I get back in. It’s sad to think whackjobs out there would want me in jail for “neglect”. People need to find something else to worry about. This lady should have never been put in this position by the stupid overzealous cop.

  57. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    If you pay at the pump, roll the back window down and talk to you kids while you pump…thats not leaving them in a locked car.

    Tom, I stand corrected…you are right, just because a situation with these exact circumstances has never happened before with a bad outcome, means it will never happen…my bad…I should have known better. And I would rather risk me dropping my child, then leaving them in the car.

    Damon says: I have to wonder how is this going to effect her children’s view of police now?

  58. sam
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Audra - I just cant tempt fate like the way you do. Based on what you wrote, it seems you are doing what is in YOUR best interest and not your kids. Seems like it would be a hassle for you to take the extra 2min to get your kids out…but dang…50secs that fast!

    It just amazes me that yall take this issue so lightly.

    While I agree she shouldn’t be made an example of, but at the same time, no matter what yall say, she put her child at risk. You NEVER leave a child unatteneded in a car…period!

  59. Father of Five Tenn
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    Wow no wonder she’s not on the police force anymore(thank god), she is what i assume was the type of officer that our young mother came into contact with. Folks, as asked earlier how many parents have pumped gas in their car and paid for it with their kids still in the car,I Assume again every parent in the once free United States has done it. The two older children where found by there father sitting inside the Walmart alone? Why was the commanding officer on the scene not arrested for child neglect also, that is the worst nightmare neglect case ive heard, cops caught up in creating drama, arresting a mother then letting two kids wonder by themselves into a huge store with at least three other exits to be takin, the officers where just wanting to ruin a perfect law abiding family and throw them in the same class as the criminals they have locked up in their State Prison. These officers where wrong and our government along with them have taken all rights away from law abiding citizens and some how allowed to label good people bad because there are crooks rapist child preds out there. A Box is what our government seems to be pushing us to live in(THE NEW China), do and act the only way they say or you and your family will be raked over the media and the courts until youve paid the lawyers and state and have been tramatized and broken$ hearted. I do not remember ever going to vote allowing this police officer the right to tell us she or he knows better than We The People, if anyone watches the news lately then you will see most of the headlines are Corrupt Government officials and wife killing cops,not mothers gone wild(all politicians and ranking official should be kicked out and we should start over). Beatles where right, we need a Revolution and take back our country, and heres a good question didnt this happen in Barrack Obamas state? Dang what else can we look forward to if he’s running the what used to Be a free world. May god help us all and i had better start seeing kids standing next to their parents at the Gas pump.Thats probably where this cop will get her next victim at the Walmart gas pumps. WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? And yes there are some dumb parents out there, we all with Brains know this. But this isnt one of them, and who knows for those of you who hang way out there on the WING maybe your loyal government will make a new law that will only allow certain folks to have kids like for instance the NY governor Spitzer im sure he’s been a great father and never broke any of the law’s he put so many away for as A DA.Funny isnt it how some folks never get it and power goes straight to the head when given. Bring Back the Free World, a voting booth in every town for every law might get us there, because our politicians sure aint(TN slang).God Bless and may the normal folks survive and build a better country…

  60. JTRLRJ
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    This is a difficult case. I would like to think that this mother did nothing wrong. She was by her car, locked and alarmed helping her other daughters and their friend donate money. I really don’t think she did anything wrong and I expect this case will be thrown out of court. Good Luck to all involved in this case.

  61. D. L. Bodin
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    If the mother faces time in jail for this petty situation, then I think it is somewhat ironic. Police think she did an injustice to the child, well–if she has to spend up to a year in jail for this, then the police did an injustice to the child and her siblings. Being without a mother for up to a year–that can be traumatizing and can carry with it future repercussions to the childrens’ egos. Parents all over the nation do the same thing this woman did. Like when a mom has to carry in her groceries into the house, leaving the child in the car for a brief moment. It would be more dangerous leaving the child in the house and then get the groceries because the child could wander off and perhaps fall down the stairs.

  62. D. L. Bodin
    Mar 12th, 2008
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    If the mother faces time in jail for this petty situation, then I think it is somewhat ironic. Police think she did an injustice to the child, well–if she has to spend up to a year in jail for this, then the police did an injustice to the child and her siblings. Being without a mother for up to a year–that can be traumatizing and can carry with it future repercussions to the childrens’ egos. Parents all over the nation do the same thing this woman did. Like when a mom has to carry in her groceries into the house, leaving the child in the car for a brief moment. It would be more dangerous leaving the child in the house and then get the groceries because the child could wander off and perhaps fall down the stairs. If your going to punish this woman, punish me, and sister, my mom, my dad, my neighbor, everyone. We are all “guilty” of this. Look at it allegorically: If you know that there is a virus out there that can give you the flu, do you live your whole life isolating yourself from potential hotspots of this virus? No, because your life will be full of fear and paranoia. Let’s say a virus that is fatal when contracted. But a chance of receiving it a probability of 1 and 1,000,000,000, do you live your life like that 1 chance will happen? No. Child abductions, although real, are not as sporadic to the point where you have to isolate your children from the world. Though it helps to be cautious, don’t waste your life treating a 1 and a 100 chance like it is a 100 and a 100.

  63. swa
    Mar 12th, 2008
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