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Queen Bee
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Homeschooling! (Con't from Jon & Kate plus 8 Blog) Reply with quote

Let's post our questions or comments about homeschooling here so that we aren't taking up important J&K blog space Smile I am hoping this thread can maintain a conversational tone and not morph into a major debate. Respect to all homeschool parents and professional educators! Mr. Green
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Angelica
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Checking in...I'm here! Very good first post.
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Jessica
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I would rather chew glass, eat a spider, stand of the edge up top of the Sears Tower, watch the Yu-Gi-Oh movie on a continuous loop and listen to the Doobie Brothers for 8 hours straight, than immerse myself in 6 hours of instruction with my kids everyday.

But, that's just me. I don't have the patience for it and I'd never kid myself into thinking that I do.

I know that home-schoolers are supposedly better prepared for college and are said to do better academically, but the stats are somewhat skewed IMO. They never account for the kids that get put back into the public school system after failed home-school attempts, where are more than officially reported.

Having said that, I don't care or judge those that home-school -- all the power to 'em and I hope it truly is mutually beneficial for all involved and the kids rise to levels of achievement that they may not otherwise achieve. I just know it's not for me or my family.
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Friend
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the Queen and Angelica,

I appreciate the viewpoint you brought out...and I can now see that I was wrong in some of my thinking. Angelica, you are absolutly right on about striving for different...the norm is not good. As I said, I have been around alot of homeschooled kids, mostly in my daughter's sports...some of the Mom's stand out more than the kids in that they didn't see overtly bright and well-adjusted themselves....maybe that is what made more of an impression on me than the kids, thinking back.
Thanks to both of you for bringing some facts to the table that I was unaware of. Nicely done!!!
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Queen Bee
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jessica wrote:
Personally, I would rather chew glass, eat a spider, stand of the edge up top of the Sears Tower, watch the Yu-Gi-Oh movie on a continuous loop and listen to the Doobie Brothers for 8 hours straight, than immerse myself in 6 hours of instruction with my kids everyday.

But, that's just me. I don't have the patience for it and I'd never kid myself into thinking that I do.

I know that home-schoolers are supposedly better prepared for college and are said to do better academically, but the stats are somewhat skewed IMO. They never account for the kids that get put back into the public school system after failed home-school attempts, where are more than officially reported.

Having said that, I don't care or judge those that home-school -- all the power to 'em and I hope it truly is mutually beneficial for all involved and the kids rise to levels of achievement that they may not otherwise achieve. I just know it's not for me or my family.


Hi Jessica, that's the wonderful thing about it all, we have a choice. Some say yes to HS some say no and it's all good. I never ever use stats as a part of my HS philosophy or anything else because all stats are manipulated by those who are doing the calculations (no entity is entirely impartial). I have known kids who return to the system as well and have meshed seamlessly into the mainstream aside from a bit of an academic edge. I give as much applause to parents who admit that they would never want to homeschool as those who do because it's better to go with what you feel comfortable with rather than try to conform to something that doesn't fit.

I'm glad everyone learned something on both sides of the fence, that's the great thing about the exchange of ideas. Smile
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Ephesians 2:10
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO with homeschooling, there are 2 different groups. Those that care and give their children an excellent education and those parents that simply don't care and their kids don't get the education and socialization that's needed.

I don't homeschool, but have a lot of friends that do. One of my closest friends is the Principal of a homeschool private school. These kids are homeschooled but are accountable through the school. They have group classes in homes. I know most of the families through church. These kids are highly educated and socialized. They are in sports and music. They go through standarized testing together.

I also have a neighbor that has her Masters in math and teaches high school math through a large home school group. She teaches geometry through calculus. Most of the students she teaches are above grade level, but occasionally she has a student who parents don't care. The student is way behind and the parents get upset with the low grade. They don't help their kids. They expect her to give them a high grade even though they can't do the work. She gets frustrated b/c she expects the kids to be accountable as if they were in the school system.

Just some thoughts with my experience.


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Queen Bee
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ephesians 2:10 wrote:
IMO with homeschooling, there are 2 different groups. Those that care and give their children an excellent education and those parents that simply don't care and their kids don't get the education and socialization that's needed.

I don't homeschool, but have a lot of friends that do. One of my closest friends is the Principal of a homeschool private school. These kids are homeschooled but are accountable through the school. They have group classes in homes. I know most of the families through church. These kids are highly educated and socialized. They are in sports and music. They go through standarized testing together.

I also have a neighbor that has her Masters in math and teaches high school math through a large home school group. She teaches geometry through calculus. Most of the students she teaches are above grade level, but occasionally she has a student who parents don't care. The student is way behind and the parents get upset with the low grade. They don't help their kids. They expect her to give them a high grade even though they can't do the work. She gets frustrated b/c she expects the kids to be accountable as if they were in the school system.

Just some thoughts with my experience.


Very good point! I think that is one negative of HS (everything has something). Parental attitude and effort are reflected in the children's success. It can be a lovely thing to witness with a parent who cares but a tragedy for parents who don't.
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Angelica
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jessica wrote:
Personally, I would rather chew glass, eat a spider, stand of the edge up top of the Sears Tower, watch the Yu-Gi-Oh movie on a continuous loop and listen to the Doobie Brothers for 8 hours straight, than immerse myself in 6 hours of instruction with my kids everyday.

But, that's just me. I don't have the patience for it and I'd never kid myself into thinking that I do.

I know that home-schoolers are supposedly better prepared for college and are said to do better academically, but the stats are somewhat skewed IMO. They never account for the kids that get put back into the public school system after failed home-school attempts, where are more than officially reported.

Having said that, I don't care or judge those that home-school -- all the power to 'em and I hope it truly is mutually beneficial for all involved and the kids rise to levels of achievement that they may not otherwise achieve. I just know it's not for me or my family.


When you have something that works for you, it's a great thing. I don't think that there is a right or wrong in this case. Just different people doing different things.
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Ephesians 2:10
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angelica, that is so true. It's not right or wrong, just what's right for each family.

I went to a church for a few years where most of the families home schooled. We didn't think it was right for our family due to personalities. We were looked down on by many people. We were black sheep.

But ironically my friend that is the Principal, backs us up.
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Angelica
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ephesians 2:10 wrote:
IMO with homeschooling, there are 2 different groups. Those that care and give their children an excellent education and those parents that simply don't care and their kids don't get the education and socialization that's needed.

I don't homeschool, but have a lot of friends that do. One of my closest friends is the Principal of a homeschool private school. These kids are homeschooled but are accountable through the school. They have group classes in homes. I know most of the families through church. These kids are highly educated and socialized. They are in sports and music. They go through standarized testing together.

I also have a neighbor that has her Masters in math and teaches high school math through a large home school group. She teaches geometry through calculus. Most of the students she teaches are above grade level, but occasionally she has a student who parents don't care. The student is way behind and the parents get upset with the low grade. They don't help their kids. They expect her to give them a high grade even though they can't do the work. She gets frustrated b/c she expects the kids to be accountable as if they were in the school system.

Just some thoughts with my experience.



Wow, that would be frustrating. I personally would want someone to push my kid to do better. I teach a coop science class and all my moms are very supportive and encouraging so I am very thankful whenever I hear horror stories.
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Angelica
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ephesians 2:10 wrote:
Angelica, that is so true. It's not right or wrong, just what's right for each family.

I went to a church for a few years where most of the families home schooled. We didn't think it was right for our family due to personalities. We were looked down on by many people. We were black sheep.

But ironically my friend that is the Principal, backs us up.


I'm sorry to hear that. I don't think home schooling is a good fit for everyone and I think it is a wise parent who recognizes what they can and can't have in their lives.

As much as I bristle about blanket statements made about home schoolers, I completely get that there can be a bit of reverse discrimination going on sometimes. We (general we) all judge each other too harshly.
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Angelica
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friend wrote:
To the Queen and Angelica,

I appreciate the viewpoint you brought out...and I can now see that I was wrong in some of my thinking. Angelica, you are absolutly right on about striving for different...the norm is not good. As I said, I have been around alot of homeschooled kids, mostly in my daughter's sports...some of the Mom's stand out more than the kids in that they didn't see overtly bright and well-adjusted themselves....maybe that is what made more of an impression on me than the kids, thinking back.
Thanks to both of you for bringing some facts to the table that I was unaware of. Nicely done!!!



Oh thank you.

You know, I think sometimes that I get so enmeshed in my own little world, that it is a shock to my system to read challenges on the validity of home schooling. To my mind, those things have been asked and answered a long time ago so I have to be careful not to come on too strong. I can get quite passionate about the subject. :)And I don't want to imply that people who don't do it are wrong, or that they people who do it are perfect, 'cause it ain't so. Wink We're just people trying to do the best we can.
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Queen Bee
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angelica wrote:
Ephesians 2:10 wrote:
Angelica, that is so true. It's not right or wrong, just what's right for each family.

I went to a church for a few years where most of the families home schooled. We didn't think it was right for our family due to personalities. We were looked down on by many people. We were black sheep.

But ironically my friend that is the Principal, backs us up.


I'm sorry to hear that. I don't think home schooling is a good fit for everyone and I think it is a wise parent who recognizes what they can and can't have in their lives.

As much as I bristle about blanket statements made about home schoolers, I completely get that there can be a bit of reverse discrimination going on sometimes. We (general we) all judge each other too harshly.


I agree I think the most effective way to ensure that all children are properly educated is to support each other and learn from our diverse strengths and weaknesses. Very Happy
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mommyplus3
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i haven't read all of the posts on the blog (just too time consuming to find them LOL), but...I have been on both sides.

I HS'ed oldest daughter for 2.5 years at the starting middle school age. It was the best thing that I could've done for her. She needed that time to mature and be her own person. She just went back into public school last year around spring break and did wonderfully...both academically and socially. I shudder to think how she would have handled it without those 2 years.

I don't plan on HSing the younger 2, but they seem better equipped to handle things, but....you never know. The younger daughter starts middle school this year - time will tell.

HS works for some, some it doesn't. There can be so many reasons to HS, as there can be so many not to ;o). I'm glad that we have the option and would hate to see it gone.

BTW...I do miss it, but know that where my daughter is is best for her right now.

Very Happy
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