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TheBean Certifiably Imperfect
Joined: 22 Apr 2002 Posts: 1365 Location: East Coast
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:44 am Post subject: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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I'm not trying to conceive yet. But could use some support/advice.
So, Anna is already asking when I might have another baby growing in me. Which really makes me sad - as I'm not sure that will ever be possible at the rate I am healing.
But DH and I have been talking in generalities and such. For years I have wanted to do foster care - and we actually did respite foster care for a little boy - which didn't go too hot as DH was home with him all day and well, to be frank....it just didn't work.
So we are talking about foster care again and adopting through foster care . And I have mixed feelings about it. as you can imagine I am incredibely concerned with how such an arrangement might work out, as the majority of kids in foster care have issues to contend with...and I am concerned with how introducing a child with special attention/discipline or therapy related needs (albiet they may be temporary) may impact Anna and her childhood.
I have concerns about Anna's safety and well being -which I think could be addressed through a screening process????? And then I have concerns with Anna adjusting to such an arrangement. She seems too young to ask for "input" on this type of thing - but at the same time it would rock her world so to speak.
But, we did our exchange student for a year and that was an incredibly wonderful experience for our family. Anna adored having an older sister. So I wonder - would foster care be that different from that situation. And I think - well yea you dork! Our exchange student was a 17 year old well adjusted gal that WANTED to come live with us and experience life as a family with us. She didn't really have any emotional issues.
I just perceive the foster care/adoption sitution differently. DH and I were again, just talking about it - and we first thought an older girl or older siblings would be a good fit because then Anna could still be doted on as she is accustomed. But then I thought a younger child would be better so Anna would be the big sister, as if we had a child of our own naturally.
I'm babbling I know. But, as I said, I have wanted to do foster care a long time and DH just wasn't interested due to our last experience. now that we have lost the baby - he has expressed a desire for Anna to have a sibling, and us to have other kids in the house.
I'de appreciate any comments or insight anyone here has. |
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DietCokeHead Queen of Imperfection
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 3805
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:15 am Post subject: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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Eileen,
I don't really know much about foster care but from what I know about you here, it seems like you would have a lot of love to offer a foster child if you decide to do that.
If you do want to try and conceive again, I highy recommend Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler. It is great info for any woman to have and has been very valuable to me in conceiving all 3 of my pregnancies.
I feel the same way about wanting another baby/child. I don't think I will stop grieving for this baby until I am pregnant again. Maybe then I wont even be able to stop, but it might help. I am feeling like my period is coming any minute though, so this cycle is probably out.  |
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kathyjm Noticably Flawed
Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 702 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:48 am Post subject: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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Hi Eileen...
I think it's awesome of you to even consider foster care. It's takes a very special person to do that!
I think you're on the right track to make sure you would want a child that wouldn't pose any safety issues for you or Anna (violent history directly from the child).
However, if you have a foster child who is challenged in other areas and just needs a little extra love and behavioral therapy, i can see that as turning into a wonderful experience for Anna. Regarding my own daughter and her challenges, I have seen many positive changes with my other children. They are much more tolerant and compassionate little humans than they used to be. They are very accepting of all kids (even the ones who are the 'black sheep' at school). When the going has gotten tough here, two things have happened, we become a stronger family unit AND we are brought a little closer to God and our faith. All good things in my opinion.
Good luck with whatever decision you make. My sister adopted a baby from birth...it's been a wonderful experience for her. |
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honeybee Queen of Imperfection
Joined: 20 Dec 2002 Posts: 3163
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:31 pm Post subject: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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I had a very strong urge to do foster care when dh and I were first married. At the time it was awful timing-- I was in college and working full time. And now, I couldn't do it with my boys being so little. But I think in the future I may look into it more. My best friend was in foster care from age 5. She was shuffled through many homes before landing in a stable one that kept her until she graduated from high school. The stories she has told me of some of her early homes... ...if I could keep any child from experiencing that, I would do so in a heartbeat. I think *good* foster parents are like a needle in a haystack, and you could be doing a miraculous thing for another child. But your concerns about Anna are very justified. As much as I would want to do foster care, my boys still come first and I don't think it would be in their best interest right now-- and their safety and well being is my primary responsibility.
Would you consider doing an international adoption?
I would love to adopt a little girl from Asia. It's always been a dream of mine. If dh and I were rich I'd just fill our house up will little ones from all over.  |
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TheBean Certifiably Imperfect
Joined: 22 Apr 2002 Posts: 1365 Location: East Coast
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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| honeybee wrote: |
Would you consider doing an international adoption?
I would love to adopt a little girl from Asia. It's always been a dream of mine. If dh and I were rich I'd just fill our house up will little ones from all over.  |
Well, this is giong to sound absolutely horrid. But I can't see spending the money for an international adoption when I have good eggs of my own. At least i think I have good eggs???
I just am too cheap to pay to adopt a child. It sounds really really horrible I know, but that is the plain truth of the matter. I would LOVE to adopt mind you - I just don't want to pay money to do so.
I like the idea of foster care as you don't have to pay anyone to do that - you just provide a loving home for the child. THAT is the aspect that appeals to me...having to pay for the priveledge of providing a loving home for a child - I don't know, it seems kind of backwards. But I do understand the screening and paperwork and all that cost money...but the fees I saw were just outrageous I think.
And this is totally OFF topic...but I would worry that as an internationally adopted child became older, would they have issues/concerns with me not being of the same culture? if I did adopot internationally i would do everything in my power to educate and inform my child of their history and culture, but not being OF a certain culture, well it would be hard I think. I guess I am keying off of a few people I know that were adopted from other countries and that seems to be an issue for them - their lack of roots. So i am just wary of that entire concept. |
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Jessica Queen of Imperfection
Joined: 20 Apr 2002 Posts: 4760 Location: Chi-town
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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| eileenthebean wrote: |
| ...having to pay for the priveledge of providing a loving home for a child - I don't know, it seems kind of backwards. But I do understand the screening and paperwork and all that cost money...but the fees I saw were just outrageous I think. |
It can be expensive, but if you saw the conditions of infant and children in orphanages in Russia, I'd bet you'd change your mind. They are so understaffed and with so few resources, babies basically get a diaper change once a day and left to cry in their crib all day. Many babies die of bed sores - that should tell you something. (Sorry, not that you need to hear this right now, I just wanted to offer my perspective on the international adoption thing.) I know someone that has a second mortage on her house, to pay for their adoption, which I would kid her and say she making monthly payments or financing her child.
Anyway, foster care is a huge commitment. That's something only you can decide is right for you and your family. Those children come with a lot of baggage and I think if you go into it, you truly have to accept and expect the worse. My step-mother's sister, who couldn't have children, she did foster care for years, but kept trading in children because of their many issues. I wanted to say to her, "What did you expect?" and I also wanted to say to her, "If you keep trading these children for a different make and model, then why even bother? That's not really the point of foster care, KWIM?" |
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TheBean Certifiably Imperfect
Joined: 22 Apr 2002 Posts: 1365 Location: East Coast
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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| Jessica wrote: |
| eileenthebean wrote: |
| ...having to pay for the priveledge of providing a loving home for a child - I don't know, it seems kind of backwards. But I do understand the screening and paperwork and all that cost money...but the fees I saw were just outrageous I think. |
It can be expensive, but if you saw the conditions of infant and children in orphanages in Russia, I'd bet you'd change your mind. They are so understaffed and with so few resources, babies basically get a diaper change once a day and left to cry in their crib all day. Many babies die of bed sores - that should tell you something. (Sorry, not that you need to hear this right now, I just wanted to offer my perspective on the international adoption thing.) I know someone that has a second mortage on her house, to pay for their adoption, which I would kid her and say she making monthly payments or financing her child.
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I know this Jess. It really does break my heart..I would take as many as i could fit in my house - but I still the reality is I can't/won't pay thousands of dollars to adopt a child. Anna is my first responsibility...and whether I like it or not, financially we can't afford to do international adoption. I don't believe in debt - other than our house mortgage. But it really saddens me. I can't watch the programs on t.v. regarding underpriveldged kids. We do what we can financially to donate to charities - but it just saddens me to know there are many families that would gladly offer their homes to help a child...yet children sit in orphanages due to the lack of funds to get them to a safe house.
And regarding the foster care - I hear what you are saying. The kids SHOULD come with baggage, given the crap they have been dealt...and shuffling them out of your house because they aren't what you expected, well that just isn't right. Which is why I am very wary of the foster care. I need to keep Anna's safety and wellbeing in mind foremost. But I really would like to provide a loving home for a child in need. We have so much - more than we need...and it just seems a shame not to share it with others.
We aren't rich - but as indicated in the one like PP posted - well, we are WELL off compared to the majority of the world...and frankly we are well off compared to the majority of the US here at our house.
I do give a good bit to charity, and I make stuff for the children's home, and I used to volunteer before I had Anna....but it seems like not enough. I'm not in a position emotionally to take on a foster child right now - I'm still dealing with this loss - but it is something that the loss has made come back into discussion with Dh and I. |
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DietCokeHead Queen of Imperfection
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 3805
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:49 pm Post subject: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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| My sister did 3 international adoptions! Talk about paying lots of $$! They had infertility issues though. And, they got big-ass tax rebates or refunds or whatever you call them for their international adoptions too, so some of that money came back to them in the end. Not anything close to all of it though! |
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Jessica Queen of Imperfection
Joined: 20 Apr 2002 Posts: 4760 Location: Chi-town
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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| eileenthebean wrote: |
I know this Jess. It really does break my heart..I would take as many as i could fit in my house - but I still the reality is I can't/won't pay thousands of dollars to adopt a child. Anna is my first responsibility...and whether I like it or not, financially we can't afford to do international adoption. I don't believe in debt - other than our house mortgage. But it really saddens me. I can't watch the programs on t.v. regarding underpriveldged kids. We do what we can financially to donate to charities - but it just saddens me to know there are many families that would gladly offer their homes to help a child...yet children sit in orphanages due to the lack of funds to get them to a safe house. |
Eileen, I am in no way judging you for not wanting to adopt. It is very expensive and I think it's great that you try to live w/o debt. I was just offering my perspective. No one should be guilted into anything, so I hope I didn't come off that way. |
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honeybee Queen of Imperfection
Joined: 20 Dec 2002 Posts: 3163
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:13 pm Post subject: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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Get Bob to get a job at Home Depot. They will pay for 50% of the adoption costs.
They also match any charity donations by 100%.
It's a great company! |
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TheBean Certifiably Imperfect
Joined: 22 Apr 2002 Posts: 1365 Location: East Coast
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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[quote="Jessica
Eileen, I am in no way judging you for not wanting to adopt. It is very expensive and I think it's great that you try to live w/o debt. I was just offering my perspective. No one should be guilted into anything, so I hope I didn't come off that way.[/quote]
Oh, I didn't perceive it that way at all. I admire those that decide to go the international adoption route. I have a work acquantance that has adopted 2 girls from Russia. it is a LONG process - fraught with anxiety and waiting...on top of the monetary issues.
I just think it is sad though, that there are so many children that are homeless - but to get them INTo a home - well it costs so much. I imagine there are probably grants or something for those that don't have the money.
But still...it is just sad. |
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Scout Queen of Imperfection
Joined: 20 Dec 2002 Posts: 3390 Location: home of the blues
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:02 pm Post subject: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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Depending on where you are, the qualifications for a "special needs" child can be quite loose. Here there is a program called "SNAP" that is an accelerated adoption process for kids with a lower likelihood of being adopted. This can be because of race (even sometimes hispanic children or bi-racial), age, or sibling status. And my understanding is that the state not only pays for it, they also provide the child with healthcare for life.
Reading White Oleander totally made me want to take in foster kids. I worked with a teacher who fostered a little boy from 2 yo and later adopted him, and it has gone very well for them.
Also, my oldest friend from hs was having trouble ttc #2 and had always wanted to do foreign adoption. In the process of getting her homestudy done, I asked her if she had ever considered domestic adoption, and she said they really wanted an infant and she'd heard the horror stories of long waits and disappointments. But she mentioned our conversation to the sw, who told her that in fact she had a 17 yo looking for a family to adopt the baby girl she was pregnant with. The mother was white and the father was half black. One family declined to adopt her for that reason. Anyway, my friend did adopt her. They were there for the birth, roomed in with the mother and everything! She just turned 3. And ironically, she has blond hair and blue eyes. Those other people would feel pretty stupid if they saw the beautiful little girl they rejected. |
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Princesso Noticably Flawed
Joined: 22 Dec 2002 Posts: 547 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject: I don't know where to really put this post... |
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We have pretty much decided to adopt as well and are completely floored by how expensive it is. We need a bigger house though before we do it because my kids are already sharing a room as it is. I'd like to do international adoption because there is a slight chance with domestic that they will change their mind and come back for the baby. Internationally, that isn't really a risk. They both cost about the same. We will probably do foster adopt though, because our county pays all adoption costs. I do worry about getting a child with a ton of problems though, because I want an adoption to enhance our family, and not cause a lot of problems for the children we already have. I have a student in my class though that was an infant foster adopt and he is a real sweetie I've had more than a few children in my class I wish I could rescue! |
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