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prescott
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:02 pm    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
OK, all this religious right talk reminded me of something...

Jessica identifies herself as an agnostic. To me, that signifies someone that basically says, "hey, us puny humans really can't know if there is or isn't a higher power, so I prefer to stay noncommittal." (I refer to them as chicken-shit atheists, but that's just me, sorry Elizabeth Laughing )

Anyway, Jessica disagrees with this definition. Mainly because she actually *does* firmly believe in a higher power, she just doesn't buy into any of the organized religion's versions of him/her/it.

So the question is, is she, in fact, an agnostic? And if not, then what the hell is the word for it?

Is there a theologian in the house?
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honeybee
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:20 pm    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
I was under the impression that an agostic doesn't believe in anything, God or otherwise. If that is so, then I wouldn't say Jessica is agnostic.

Now you've got me scratching my head.
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honeybee
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:23 pm    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
Okay, I was obviously misinformed. Laughing
By dictionary.com's definition I'd say that agnostic would describe that standing very accurately.
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prescott
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
honeybee wrote:
I was under the impression that an agostic doesn't believe in anything, God or otherwise. If that is so, then I wouldn't say Jessica is agnostic.


Yes, that would be an atheist.

According to the definition you posted, an agnostic doesn't profess to believe or *not* believe -- it's a statement that god is an unknown. I don't think that would apply to someone that is convinced in some sort of god.
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Rebecca_R
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
I'd say Jess is agnostic. But what do I know. I'm an athiest.
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colby
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
How bout this:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fucktheist&r=s&pos=7
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prescott
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:01 pm    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Petulant Pixie
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:18 am    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
Well, there are many different ideas about a "higher power" that are outside the Judeo-Christian concept of God. If Jess really believes in a higher power, then I don't think she'd be considered agnostic.
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DietCokeHead
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:19 am    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
I'd just call her "undecided".
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Jessica
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:04 am    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
Thank you all for helping be to close in on my identity crisis. Wink

I now think I'm a religious independent.
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Elizabeth
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:16 am    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
OOOH, you just might be a religious liberal!

http://www.uua.org/aboutuu/uufaq.html

This might be the only thing we believe in common. Wink Although I would *not* recommend walking into a UU church and announcing you're a Republican who's in favor of the war in Irag, lol.

OK, I'm going back to my break now.

(edited to add the "not." hmm, was that a Freudian slip or what? Smile )
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Petulant Pixie
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:57 am    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
I dunno, actually maybe "flip flopper" (to quote someone), may be the best title, since it seems not too long ago, Jess professed pretty believable faith in Christianity, but now I guess not.
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Jessica
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
Petulant Pixie wrote:
I dunno, actually maybe "flip flopper" (to quote someone), may be the best title, since it seems not too long ago, Jess professed pretty believable faith in Christianity, but now I guess not.


Uh, no, that's not accurate. I do believe in God and I was brought up as an Evangelical-Protestant, so I do identify with the "Christian" God, but I don't go to church, nor do I find myself belonging to any sort of church. My step-mother, who raised me since I was 12 is Jewish and my father has only been to church to attend weddings. My mother is an Evangelical Christian.

I have never changed my stance on this and actually admitted to Scott before he posted this thread, that "agnostic" was incorrect, so please do not pretend to know what my beliefs are unless you ask me directly. Thanks!
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Petulant Pixie
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:47 am    Post subject: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
From two threads down:

Quote:
Much to Scott's chagrin, I have been starting to go to church.
Please forgive my confusion on the matter.
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Jessica
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Give Jess a title! Reply with quote
Petulant Pixie wrote:
From two threads down:

Quote:
Much to Scott's chagrin, I have been starting to go to church.
Please forgive my confusion on the matter.


I'm sure you think you're being really, really clever here -- going way, way back into the past to dig this up. I have nothing to hide. I did try out a church in our neighborhood and I still didn't feel as if I belonged, so it lasted a few Sundays and I was back to where I began. I just don't seem to like organized religion, no matter how much I try. <shrugs> I would love to find a church that I felt comfortable in, but so far, no luck. I'm not sure I'm cut out for that type of thing, but I still believe in God and never pretended not to.
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